Templates are boring - how to get e.g. rounded-edge tables? (kimb) - 6/11/2006 8:50 AM PST

Question

By: kimb

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The templates are boring. What does it take to create a website that has
templates with rounded-edge tables. For example, can this page be created
with EWD:

http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/wpf/wpf_features.mspx

Here are other examples of sites with styles or templates that provided
rounded edges:

http://www.ktkz.com/

Answer 1

By: Thomas A. Rowe

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You have to create an image that has the rounded corners or purchase a template that comes with the
images.

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"kimb" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> The templates are boring. What does it take to create a website that has
> templates with rounded-edge tables. For example, can this page be created
> with EWD:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/wpf/wpf_features.mspx
>
> Here are other examples of sites with styles or templates that provided
> rounded edges:
>
> http://www.ktkz.com/
>
>

Answer 2

By: kimb

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Thomas,

Thanks for the suggestion and clarifying. I had believed that some other web 
development environments came with more sophisticated templates.

Regarding third party, do you have any suggestions? Would I be looking for 
FP2003 DWT templates, such as this (found via google)
 
http://classythemes.com/frontpage_dwt/dwt.asp

Or are there DWT differences, making it better to start with an HTML 
template and build an Expression DWT from it.

Thanks,
Kim

Answer 3

By: Thomas A. Rowe

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I never use any purchased templates, etc. I create my own rounded corner images, then I create a
page, then just use Save As for each additional page needed,

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
==============================================
If you feel your current issue is a results of installing
a Service Pack or security update, please contact
Microsoft Product Support Services:
http://support.microsoft.com
If the problem can be shown to have been caused by a
security update, then there is usually no charge for the call.
==============================================

"kimb" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> Thomas,
>
> Thanks for the suggestion and clarifying. I had believed that some other web
> development environments came with more sophisticated templates.
>
> Regarding third party, do you have any suggestions? Would I be looking for
> FP2003 DWT templates, such as this (found via google)
>
> http://classythemes.com/frontpage_dwt/dwt.asp
>
> Or are there DWT differences, making it better to start with an HTML
> template and build an Expression DWT from it.
>
> Thanks,
> Kim
>

Answer 4

By: bwood

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Kim - if you're looking to do rounded corners - none of the big WYSIWYG
programs come with those type sof templates yet. It usually requires nested
DIVs or other. YOu can find some good examples here though:
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=RoundedCorners

I use them on my site because my designer insisted on them :)

--
Brian Wood
EWD CTP Coordinator


"Thomas A. Rowe" wrote:

> I never use any purchased templates, etc. I create my own rounded corner images, then I create a
> page, then just use Save As for each additional page needed,
>
> --
> ==============================================
> Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
> ==============================================
> If you feel your current issue is a results of installing
> a Service Pack or security update, please contact
> Microsoft Product Support Services:
> http://support.microsoft.com
> If the problem can be shown to have been caused by a
> security update, then there is usually no charge for the call.
> ==============================================
>
> "kimb" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> news:[e-mail]...
> > Thomas,
> >
> > Thanks for the suggestion and clarifying. I had believed that some other web
> > development environments came with more sophisticated templates.
> >
> > Regarding third party, do you have any suggestions? Would I be looking for
> > FP2003 DWT templates, such as this (found via google)
> >
> > http://classythemes.com/frontpage_dwt/dwt.asp
> >
> > Or are there DWT differences, making it better to start with an HTML
> > template and build an Expression DWT from it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kim
> >

Answer 5

By: kimb

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Brian,

This, among the links in the page you cited, was amazing:

http://www.neuroticweb.com/recursos/css-rounded-box/

Thanks everyone.
Kim

"bwood" wrote:

> Kim - if you're looking to do rounded corners - none of the big WYSIWYG
> programs come with those type sof templates yet. It usually requires nested
> DIVs or other. YOu can find some good examples here though:
> http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=RoundedCorners
>
> I use them on my site because my designer insisted on them :)
>
> --
> Brian Wood
> EWD CTP Coordinator
>
>
> "Thomas A. Rowe" wrote:
>
> > I never use any purchased templates, etc. I create my own rounded corner images, then I create a
> > page, then just use Save As for each additional page needed,
> >
> > --
> > ==============================================
> > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
> > ==============================================
> > If you feel your current issue is a results of installing
> > a Service Pack or security update, please contact
> > Microsoft Product Support Services:
> > http://support.microsoft.com
> > If the problem can be shown to have been caused by a
> > security update, then there is usually no charge for the call.
> > ==============================================
> >
> > "kimb" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> > news:[e-mail]...
> > > Thomas,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the suggestion and clarifying. I had believed that some other web
> > > development environments came with more sophisticated templates.
> > >
> > > Regarding third party, do you have any suggestions? Would I be looking for
> > > FP2003 DWT templates, such as this (found via google)
> > >
> > > http://classythemes.com/frontpage_dwt/dwt.asp
> > >
> > > Or are there DWT differences, making it better to start with an HTML
> > > template and build an Expression DWT from it.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Kim

Answer 6

By: kimb

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Look at this one: No graphics, pure XHTML:

http://www.sovavsiti.cz/css/corners.html

So this should be easy for the smart guys on EWD team to include in a
template.

Meanwhile I have to go find some site to add this too.

Kim


"bwood" wrote:

> Kim - if you're looking to do rounded corners - none of the big WYSIWYG
> programs come with those type sof templates yet. It usually requires nested
> DIVs or other. YOu can find some good examples here though:
> http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=RoundedCorners
>
> I use them on my site because my designer insisted on them :)
>
> --
> Brian Wood
> EWD CTP Coordinator
>
>
> "Thomas A. Rowe" wrote:
>
> > I never use any purchased templates, etc. I create my own rounded corner images, then I create a
> > page, then just use Save As for each additional page needed,
> >
> > --
> > ==============================================
> > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
> > ==============================================
> > If you feel your current issue is a results of installing
> > a Service Pack or security update, please contact
> > Microsoft Product Support Services:
> > http://support.microsoft.com
> > If the problem can be shown to have been caused by a
> > security update, then there is usually no charge for the call.
> > ==============================================
> >
> > "kimb" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> > news:[e-mail]...
> > > Thomas,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the suggestion and clarifying. I had believed that some other web
> > > development environments came with more sophisticated templates.
> > >
> > > Regarding third party, do you have any suggestions? Would I be looking for
> > > FP2003 DWT templates, such as this (found via google)
> > >
> > > http://classythemes.com/frontpage_dwt/dwt.asp
> > >
> > > Or are there DWT differences, making it better to start with an HTML
> > > template and build an Expression DWT from it.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Kim
> > >

Answer 7

By: Cary

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Kimb,
If you look close at this page you will see that the graphics are listed
in the style section. This makes the body code look cleaner, but the
graphics files must still be included...in this case they are in the <style>
section.

Cary

"kimb" wrote:

> Look at this one: No graphics, pure XHTML:
>
> http://www.sovavsiti.cz/css/corners.html
>
> So this should be easy for the smart guys on EWD team to include in a
> template.
>
> Meanwhile I have to go find some site to add this too.
>
> Kim
>
>
> "bwood" wrote:
>
> > Kim - if you're looking to do rounded corners - none of the big WYSIWYG
> > programs come with those type sof templates yet. It usually requires nested
> > DIVs or other. YOu can find some good examples here though:
> > http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=RoundedCorners
> >
> > I use them on my site because my designer insisted on them :)
> >
> > --
> > Brian Wood
> > EWD CTP Coordinator
> >
> >
> > "Thomas A. Rowe" wrote:
> >
> > > I never use any purchased templates, etc. I create my own rounded corner images, then I create a
> > > page, then just use Save As for each additional page needed,
> > >
> > > --
> > > ==============================================
> > > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
> > > ==============================================
> > > If you feel your current issue is a results of installing
> > > a Service Pack or security update, please contact
> > > Microsoft Product Support Services:
> > > http://support.microsoft.com
> > > If the problem can be shown to have been caused by a
> > > security update, then there is usually no charge for the call.
> > > ==============================================
> > >
> > > "kimb" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> > > news:[e-mail]...
> > > > Thomas,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the suggestion and clarifying. I had believed that some other web
> > > > development environments came with more sophisticated templates.
> > > >
> > > > Regarding third party, do you have any suggestions? Would I be looking for
> > > > FP2003 DWT templates, such as this (found via google)
> > > >
> > > > http://classythemes.com/frontpage_dwt/dwt.asp
> > > >
> > > > Or are there DWT differences, making it better to start with an HTML
> > > > template and build an Expression DWT from it.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Kim

Answer 8

By: Eddie Kasper

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Although it still uses images, I think most of us here find it more pratical
to use CSS styling to create corners verus using tables. As Cary said, it
does create a much cleaner look in the body code.

I believe EWD templates would greatly be enchance if they add 10-12 types of
templates with corners.

As for incorporating a CSS rounded corner tool soft of like the FP2003 table
layout tool, I would think it would be a bit more involved in implementing
this. The question is, do they want to add it?

"Cary" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> Kimb,
> If you look close at this page you will see that the graphics are listed
> in the style section. This makes the body code look cleaner, but the
> graphics files must still be included...in this case they are in the
> <style>
> section.
>
> Cary
>
> "kimb" wrote:
>
>> Look at this one: No graphics, pure XHTML:
>>
>> http://www.sovavsiti.cz/css/corners.html
>>
>> So this should be easy for the smart guys on EWD team to include in a
>> template.
>>
>> Meanwhile I have to go find some site to add this too.
>>
>> Kim
>>
>>
>> "bwood" wrote:
>>
>> > Kim - if you're looking to do rounded corners - none of the big WYSIWYG
>> > programs come with those type sof templates yet. It usually requires
>> > nested
>> > DIVs or other. YOu can find some good examples here though:
>> > http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=RoundedCorners
>> >
>> > I use them on my site because my designer insisted on them :)
>> >
>> > --
>> > Brian Wood
>> > EWD CTP Coordinator
>> >
>> >
>> > "Thomas A. Rowe" wrote:
>> >
>> > > I never use any purchased templates, etc. I create my own rounded
>> > > corner images, then I create a
>> > > page, then just use Save As for each additional page needed,
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > ==============================================
>> > > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
>> > > ==============================================
>> > > If you feel your current issue is a results of installing
>> > > a Service Pack or security update, please contact
>> > > Microsoft Product Support Services:
>> > > http://support.microsoft.com
>> > > If the problem can be shown to have been caused by a
>> > > security update, then there is usually no charge for the call.
>> > > ==============================================
>> > >
>> > > "kimb" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
>> > > news:[e-mail]...
>> > > > Thomas,
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks for the suggestion and clarifying. I had believed that some
>> > > > other web
>> > > > development environments came with more sophisticated templates.
>> > > >
>> > > > Regarding third party, do you have any suggestions? Would I be
>> > > > looking for
>> > > > FP2003 DWT templates, such as this (found via google)
>> > > >
>> > > > http://classythemes.com/frontpage_dwt/dwt.asp
>> > > >
>> > > > Or are there DWT differences, making it better to start with an
>> > > > HTML
>> > > > template and build an Expression DWT from it.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks,
>> > > > Kim
>> > > >

Answer 9

By: Dragan Panjkov

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hi,
this is to all: very good js script for creating rounded corners.
http://www.html.it/articoli/niftycube/index.html

"Eddie Kasper" wrote:

> Although it still uses images, I think most of us here find it more pratical
> to use CSS styling to create corners verus using tables. As Cary said, it
> does create a much cleaner look in the body code.
>
> I believe EWD templates would greatly be enchance if they add 10-12 types of
> templates with corners.
>
> As for incorporating a CSS rounded corner tool soft of like the FP2003 table
> layout tool, I would think it would be a bit more involved in implementing
> this. The question is, do they want to add it?
>
> "Cary" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> news:[e-mail]...
> > Kimb,
> > If you look close at this page you will see that the graphics are listed
> > in the style section. This makes the body code look cleaner, but the
> > graphics files must still be included...in this case they are in the
> > <style>
> > section.
> >
> > Cary
> >
> > "kimb" wrote:
> >
> >> Look at this one: No graphics, pure XHTML:
> >>
> >> http://www.sovavsiti.cz/css/corners.html
> >>
> >> So this should be easy for the smart guys on EWD team to include in a
> >> template.
> >>
> >> Meanwhile I have to go find some site to add this too.
> >>
> >> Kim
> >>
> >>
> >> "bwood" wrote:
> >>
> >> > Kim - if you're looking to do rounded corners - none of the big WYSIWYG
> >> > programs come with those type sof templates yet. It usually requires
> >> > nested
> >> > DIVs or other. YOu can find some good examples here though:
> >> > http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=RoundedCorners
> >> >
> >> > I use them on my site because my designer insisted on them :)
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Brian Wood
> >> > EWD CTP Coordinator
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Thomas A. Rowe" wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I never use any purchased templates, etc. I create my own rounded
> >> > > corner images, then I create a
> >> > > page, then just use Save As for each additional page needed,
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > ==============================================
> >> > > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
> >> > > ==============================================
> >> > > If you feel your current issue is a results of installing
> >> > > a Service Pack or security update, please contact
> >> > > Microsoft Product Support Services:
> >> > > http://support.microsoft.com
> >> > > If the problem can be shown to have been caused by a
> >> > > security update, then there is usually no charge for the call.
> >> > > ==============================================
> >> > >
> >> > > "kimb" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> >> > > news:[e-mail]...
> >> > > > Thomas,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Thanks for the suggestion and clarifying. I had believed that some
> >> > > > other web
> >> > > > development environments came with more sophisticated templates.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Regarding third party, do you have any suggestions? Would I be
> >> > > > looking for
> >> > > > FP2003 DWT templates, such as this (found via google)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > http://classythemes.com/frontpage_dwt/dwt.asp
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Or are there DWT differences, making it better to start with an
> >> > > > HTML
> >> > > > template and build an Expression DWT from it.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Thanks,
> >> > > > Kim
> >> > > >
> >> > >

Answer 10

By: Cheryl D Wise

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You can buy templates in lots of places. Dreamweaver comes with less than
EWD has and this IS a an early beta product. I'm surprised it has as many as
it does. I've got a tutorial on rounded corners in FrontPage, and
instructions on how to create your own (which would work equally well in
EWD I should think) and a review of a third party program that creates
rounded corners over in the tutorials section of http://mvp.wiserways.com

If you start with any high quality page you can easily turn it into a DWT.
The process in EWD is the same as in FrontPage. (There is a tutorial on
creating DWTs in FrontPage there as well.)

--
Cheryl D Wise
FrontPage MVP
http://by-expression.com
http://forum.by-expression.com
http://groups.google.com/group/by-expression-web-designer


"kimb" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> Thomas,
>
> Thanks for the suggestion and clarifying. I had believed that some other
> web
> development environments came with more sophisticated templates.
>
> Regarding third party, do you have any suggestions? Would I be looking for
> FP2003 DWT templates, such as this (found via google)
>
> http://classythemes.com/frontpage_dwt/dwt.asp
>
> Or are there DWT differences, making it better to start with an HTML
> template and build an Expression DWT from it.
>
> Thanks,
> Kim
>

Answer 11

By: Cheryl D Wise

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Kim,

I should have mentioned that you can use the same method in EWD to create
rounded corner layouts as those shown in the FP tutorial including having
EWD write the code for you but it will be nested table code which is what
Microsoft uses on the EWD site you referenced in your review.

BTW, thank you for mentioning my site in your review.

--
Cheryl D Wise
FrontPage MVP
http://by-expression.com
http://forum.by-expression.com
http://groups.google.com/group/by-expression-web-designer


"Cheryl D Wise" <wiserways.wiserways.com> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...

> You can buy templates in lots of places. Dreamweaver comes with less than
> EWD has and this IS a an early beta product. I'm surprised it has as many
> as it does. I've got a tutorial on rounded corners in FrontPage, and
> instructions on how to create your own (which would work equally well in
> EWD I should think) and a review of a third party program that creates
> rounded corners over in the tutorials section of http://mvp.wiserways.com

Answer 12

By: kimb

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Very interesting! I didn't know that was in my FP2003 all this time:

http://mvp.wiserways.com/tutorials/corners/index.html

Kim

Answer 13

By: Andrew Murray

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FP2003 has the ability to create round-corner tables (layout tables). I
presume EWD will eventually include something similar.

"kimb" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> Thomas,
>
> Thanks for the suggestion and clarifying. I had believed that some other
> web
> development environments came with more sophisticated templates.
>
> Regarding third party, do you have any suggestions? Would I be looking for
> FP2003 DWT templates, such as this (found via google)
>
> http://classythemes.com/frontpage_dwt/dwt.asp
>
> Or are there DWT differences, making it better to start with an HTML
> template and build an Expression DWT from it.
>
> Thanks,
> Kim
>

Answer 14

By: Cheryl D Wise

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Its already there but still uses nested tables, hopefully the EWD team will
update it to CSS rounded corners.

--
Cheryl D Wise
FrontPage MVP
http://by-expression.com
http://forum.by-expression.com
http://groups.google.com/group/by-expression-web-designer


"Andrew Murray" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> FP2003 has the ability to create round-corner tables (layout tables). I
> presume EWD will eventually include something similar.
>
> "kimb" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> news:[e-mail]...
>> Thomas,
>>
>> Thanks for the suggestion and clarifying. I had believed that some other
>> web
>> development environments came with more sophisticated templates.
>>
>> Regarding third party, do you have any suggestions? Would I be looking
>> for
>> FP2003 DWT templates, such as this (found via google)
>>
>> http://classythemes.com/frontpage_dwt/dwt.asp
>>
>> Or are there DWT differences, making it better to start with an HTML
>> template and build an Expression DWT from it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kim
>>

Answer 15

I tried this feature out in FP2003, but can't seem to adjust the header / footer smaller than 19, what am I missing?

Answer 16

I'll second the Nifty Corners approach, just css and javascript: http://www.html.it/articoli/niftycube/index.html

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Regards, Tom

Answer 17

You can certainly use CSS/HTML alone for the rounded corners instead of images.

Try these links to learn how it's done:

• http://www.spiffycorners.com/
• http://blog.yosle.com/2007/09/20/css-round-corners/

Answer 18

 By: Thomas A. Rowe

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You have to create an image that has the rounded corners or purchase a template that comes with the
images.

Thomas, what are you using or what do you suggest to use to create the 'rounded-cornered' edged images? Also, can the same program be used for creating rounded-edged buttons?