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Why telemetry is shallow and should not be relied upon

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  • Have you seen a power user who has CEIP (Customer Experience Improvement Program) turned on? I for one have not. Advanced users just don't have it activated, since they are the the kind of people who also tweak their autostart entries and kill off unneeded services. So of course they won't run CEIP.

    Basing all your design around telemetry insures the dumbing down of the Windows plattform, because pretty much all telemetry (with very few exceptions) comes only from Joe Sixpack and mom & pop.

    I don't think its in Microsoft's interest to completely remove the power users from their ecosystem, since those people are also the developers and the admins.




    Thursday, November 10, 2011 5:04 PM

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  • Well, one approach might be for those with the hyper-inflated egos to avoid mucking with the system and turning off services becuase by doing so, they are removing THEMSELVES from the eco system.

    Yeah, I know, I could have been a little less condescending, point is, you could have too.  Read on.  :)

    Lets face it, either MS is going to screw the pooch by forcing this hideous Metro crap on everyone, or, we can assume this release was intended only to focus on Metro so the tablet toy owners and developers can get busy making apps for toys.

    Myself?, I abandonded even playing with the "OS" after less than 50 hours.  Why?  Because I have to have faith that MS is pushing Metro because it wants to ride the toy wave too, but that faith is also based on the assumption that the desktop, powerusers, and power-producers (people that use apps to perform useful WORK) will be treated fairly (i.e. not saddled with Metro in any way unless we choose to saddle ourselves).

    This release is Metro-centric.  If the beta is pretty much the same, MS will have killed its core business as it attempts to play in the toy realm.  I'll know during the first hour of the beta if any more of my time is warranted.   Right now it feels like I completely wasted about 50 hours I'd sorely like to have back.

    Metro and all the people defending it as "the way of the future, you don't like change" are simply wrong.  Serious work can never be done on a tablet or tablet interfaced device.  I have to believe MS knows this.  If they don't, they deserve to lose their core business.  The beta will bring things fully into focus.  My heartiest recommendation is to either embrace it in its currently (toy-centric) form, or stop wasting time on it as I've already done.

    DAS

    Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:13 PM
  • Well, one approach might be for those with the hyper-inflated egos to avoid mucking with the system and turning off services becuase by doing so, they are removing THEMSELVES from the eco system.

     


    Doesn't change the fact that telemetry is pointless. Microsoft needs to take the reality into account.
    Sunday, November 13, 2011 4:48 PM
  • Have you seen a power user who has CEIP (Customer Experience Improvement Program) turned on? I for one have not. Advanced users just don't have it activated, since they are the the kind of people who also tweak their autostart entries and kill off unneeded services. So of course they won't run CEIP.





    As a highly skilled sysadmin for many years with plenty of dev experience too, I absolutely always keep CEIP on. I also keep it enabled across the large scale entrerprise networks I've managed.

    The idea that simply being skilled also implies that you're paranoid enough to believe it's some sort of spying mechanism or inexperienced enough not to understand and know that the performance impacts of leaving it enabled are minimal is frankly a bit insulting. If you're disabling the single best mechanism for providing feedback on real world usage then you really shouldn't be overly surprised if you think it doesn't reflect your views. It's a bit like coomplaining your machine crashes a lot, but never sending the crashdump information back for analysis.

    Maybe, if you really think the results are being so heavily skewed, you should be encouraging people to turn it on instead.


    • Edited by AndyCadley Sunday, November 13, 2011 9:16 PM
    Sunday, November 13, 2011 9:15 PM
  • Well, one approach might be for those with the hyper-inflated egos to avoid mucking with the system and turning off services becuase by doing so, they are removing THEMSELVES from the eco system.

     


    Doesn't change the fact that telemetry is pointless. Microsoft needs to take the reality into account.


    Telemetry isn't pointless it can be a valuable insight into how participating users interact with the system.

    It also isn't the only method of gathering info MS use, you could probably include this forum as one of those othet source.

    Or, maybe mom & pop users, social web users etc outnumber 'power users' by a significant margin and the telemetry reflects that.


    Acer W500 tablet & dock, New 'works' Lenovo laptop Too much apple stuff. Remember: A Developer Preview is just that, a preview for developers - not everything will work 'just right' on day 1.
    Monday, November 14, 2011 6:08 PM