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  • User693614070 posted

    I've just upgraded to 2008 recently. I'm working on an ASPX page that has a rather large viewstate and uses Telerik user controls.

    While using the source editor in 2008 the application freezes up completely for approximately 3-5 seconds. This doesn't happen in 2005 with the same code. This occurs not only when I'm trying to use intellisense, but when I'm attempting to navigate the page. There have been no problems with C# code.

    Getting extremely frustrated. Has anyone run into this problem?

     

    Thanks~
     

    Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:39 PM

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  • User-1363174918 posted

    Yes, we are aware of the issue and are working on a solution. However, we'd like to be sure that your case is the same as reported by few other people. Can you provide me with the page that exhibits the behavior? My e-mail is mikhaila-at-microsoft-dot-com

    Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:23 PM
  • User693614070 posted

     Would be very interested to hear about any potential work-arounds. Thanks for your reply, the code is in the mail.

    Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:19 PM
  • User-1363174918 posted

    Is it faster if you close Properties window?

    Friday, December 14, 2007 1:40 AM
  • User693614070 posted

    No, haven't noticed any differences with the properties window being opened or closed. I've got the solution running disconnected from any source control, and all of the interface settings as low as possible, including no default properties window.

     

    Thanks

     

    Friday, December 14, 2007 9:15 AM
  • User-2041658431 posted

    Hi,

    I have been having the same problem with the HTML editor in vs2008.
    I have a rather large page, and the environment freezes up every 5 seconds.
    It took about half an hour to write 10 lines of markup, as a result.

    the properties window being closed does not make it any faster.

     

    -Avi
     

    Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:32 AM
  • User-2099785102 posted

    I have this issue too.  Very frustrating to type.  When in source view, modifying html is very slow because the UI freezes after I stop typing... and lasts for about 10 seconds.  Meanwhile the UI is "Not Responding".  This only happens on pages with large amounts of html (in my case ~3300 lines).  On pages with only a few lines of HTML, freezing does not occur.  I have Windows Vista Ultimate installed.

    I've also noticed that the devenv.exe process is usually ticking up (memeory usage) quite rapidly during the time the UI is not responding.

    Wednesday, December 19, 2007 1:19 PM
  • User-2041658431 posted

    I'm using Windows XP sp2, so I don't think it's a windows vista exclusive problem.
    I hope there is a workaround for this.
     

    Wednesday, December 19, 2007 1:26 PM
  • User-918109226 posted

    Im having the same issue.

    I know ScottGu has made a blog post about some things you can which off in Options in VS2008, but I can't find it now :(

    I found this one, which could maybe solve some of you, expecial people who have installed VS2008 side-by-side with VS2005, which I guess most people have.

    http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2007/11/27/vs-2008-compatibility-with-older-vs-2005-add-in-packages.aspx

     

    Wednesday, December 19, 2007 2:51 PM
  • User-1394066294 posted

    Also have this problem having VS2008 installed on Windows XP SP2. Have the default setup with settings for web developer. Get this freezing in Source mode on even small pages (around 100 rows). Only used VS 2008 for one project this far and it is a Web application project. Haven't tried yet if I get the same problem with a Web site project.

    Anyway, hopefully a fix will come out or I think I have to stick with VS2005 for a while.

    Wednesday, December 19, 2007 2:56 PM
  • User847130323 posted

     having the same problem.  It only happens with two projects (so far).  I have not done a lot of testing to see what the common factors between the projects are.   It happens to me on two seperate machines, one running xp sp2 and the other running vista business.

     
     

    Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:16 PM
  • User-1963790525 posted
    I was having the same issues too. My freezing took up to a 5 minutes. Here's a possible solution. Its working for me:



    http://codeeleven.blogspot.com/2007/12/visual-studio-2008-and.html
    Friday, December 21, 2007 6:24 PM
  • User-2041658431 posted

    I was having the same issues too. My freezing took up to a 5 minutes. Here's a possible solution. Its working for me:



    http://codeeleven.blogspot.com/2007/12/visual-studio-2008-and.html
     

    that didn't seem to work.. my problem is not so much with the toolbox intializing, but rather chronic freezups.

    at this point, they mostly occur EVERY CHARACTER entered when editing an element's attribute, or, when selecting a different element.
    It is virtually unusable at this point, and is causing a 3 hour edit turn into a 48 hour one. (the aspx doc has ~700 lines of code, and uses various ajax extension controls, ajax control toolkit 3.5 controls, and infragistics webgrid.)

    Here are more symptoms:
    -Any intellisense you have selected is lost when freeze ends
    -Cursor often jumps to the beginning of the current line after a freeze, making attribute editing EXTREMELY frustrating
    -Seems like the window layout of the environment is refreshing every time the freeze ends
    -Cursor often disappears after a freeze, requiring a minimize-maximize of the environment to get it back.

     At this point I am outsourcing some of my HTML editing tasks to external markup editors, or visual studio's XML editor, which works fine. Though when I need changes made that affect the underlying class, or direct attribute changes, it is just as slow to switch between editors.
     

    Monday, December 24, 2007 4:20 PM
  • User-2099785102 posted

    Hmmm.  I also have Infragistics controls on my page.  I tried removing the references at the top of the source page and now I can type without the freeze... except now I obviously can't compile unless I paste back in the references.  I tried moving the references to the web.config and my page started freezing again, only this time with a message on the bottom of the UI after I stop typing each time... "Updating JScript Intellisense".  Where are you Hotfix!?!?

    Monday, December 24, 2007 5:48 PM
  • User-4264092 posted

    The problem indeed seems to be dependant on presense of 3rd party controls. I also experience it on the pages with Telerik controls.

    Mikhail, I think you have already enough evidence to start investigation :).

     

     

    Tuesday, December 25, 2007 10:46 AM
  • User390817712 posted

    I'm having the same problem and I'm using Dev Express web controls on the page.

    Friday, December 28, 2007 11:00 AM
  • User-142784633 posted

    We're experiencing similar problems; we're only using the AJAX Toolkit as 3rd party. On a 800 lines aspx page we're experience slowness even when jumping from one bookmark to another. Sometimes when saving it takes about 4s; other times when simply editing the whole IDE freezes for a few seconds. This same project in VS2005 was a LOT faster. We need a fix FAST!

    I've disabled/closed anything that I could think of: properties windows, navigation bar, html validation, closed the toolbox -- so we're in plain html source view. All of these seemed to help a bit, but not really...

     [edit] Windows Server 2003 (but the same thing happens on XP), 4GB of RAM, Core2Duo, fast HDDs...

    Friday, December 28, 2007 5:00 PM
  • User-202977589 posted

    I have this problem aswell. Does anyone have a confirmed workaround yet?

    Monday, December 31, 2007 4:01 AM
  • User-202977589 posted
    I have seen a clear improvement by removing register directives to third party controls from my page. In my case the controls are the telerik ones.
    Monday, December 31, 2007 4:14 AM
  • User-202977589 posted

    Hi again.

    My latest update is that having third party controls referenced in web.config does improve this issue, but it doesn't remove it entirely - I still have these momentary freezes fairly regularly.

    Hopefully someone has something else to add to this?

     

    Thanks,

    Dave

    Monday, December 31, 2007 5:35 AM
  • User-863251258 posted

    I'll add my name to the list.  I have noticed that after I did this (http://codeeleven.blogspot.com/2007/12/visual-studio-2008-and.html), it was a little better.  I then noticed that evertime I got a pause or a lag that the solution explorer would flash like it was rebuilding.  I tried closing solution explorer and it is MUCH MUCH better.

    Monday, December 31, 2007 10:18 AM
  • User-142784633 posted

    I'm having a 800 line aspx file where I use the AJAX Toolkit -- registered in web.config, so no 3rd party controls are registered in the aspx file itself. I do, however, register about 10 user controls from the same solution. Putting these in web.config is not really an option as we have a lot of them and only a number of them are used in any given page.

    Mikhail, please let us know what is the status with this problem. This issue literally makes the IDE unusable. I can't even type regular text without short pauses where the IDE just freezes. I feel like opening notepad and typing there instead. If this doesn't get fixed fast I will be forced to move back to VS2005 :-(

     Peter.

    Monday, December 31, 2007 10:24 AM
  • User-1363174918 posted

    Status of the issue: we identified a few issues regarding the Source and Design views performance. We are working on the fix, but unfortunately, I cannot give you any timeline. Here is what we know about:

    a. Design view typing in certain files can be affected by too frequent sync from Designer to Source view. There is no workaround. 

    b. Source view performance may be affected by too frequent updates of JScript intellisense data or by updates to the Properties window.

    In (b) you may try turning off intellisense in Tools | Options | Text Editor | HTML | General -> uncheck Auto List Members and see if performance gets better You may also try switching off validaton in Tools | Options | Text Editor | HTML | Validation. Try also closing properties window.

    In any case - I would like to collect more information since there may be other cases. Feel free to e-mail me your repro steps and, if possible, repro page at mikhaila-at-microsoft-dot-com. Minimal repro is, as always, appreciated. Please provide the following information:

    1. Are there any themes or style sheets attached and if performance gets better if you detach the style sheet or disable theming.

    2. Is performance better when properties window is closed.

    3. Does delay depend on which element are you editing (i.e. how long is the element properties list)

    4. Is performance better when there are fewer controls with ID attribute?

    5. Is editor faster when there are no client script blocks in the page?

     

    Monday, December 31, 2007 12:28 PM
  • User300685930 posted

    My experience is that I use master pages all the time without scriptmanager in the master page, but I do have scriptmanager in most my pages that use the master.  I see the "Loading Master Page..." message for a painfully long time.  I've upgraded my dev environment to 4 10K drives stripped and a quad pentium with 8gig of RAM and that has helped some, but it still hurts.  Especially when I need to leave home and use my notebook computer.  I wish there was a way I could have a "not so cool" design view option so when I'm not doing design stuff, I can still have a "kind of" wsiwig mode (like vs2005) but get fast performance.  That is, it's nice to be able to click a button and get the clicked event wired, but not at the penalty of having the design view so slow.

    That said, I LOVE having the new design stuff in vs2008.  That's a huge improvement and I applaud you guys for getting it all working.  I'm confident you'll get the issues worked out, just as I'm confident I have not bought my last CPU upgrade (which will likely fix it eventually).

    Mikhail, thanks for all your help in these forums.  Your posts at all times of the day and night are much appreciated, I'm sure by more than just me.  See you at DevCon! (hopefully)


     

    Monday, December 31, 2007 12:53 PM
  • User-142784633 posted

    I've played with it a little bit and closing the properties windows seemed to have had the most noticeable effect. I will test it more thoroughly in the days to come and get back to you. Thank for your prompt response.

    Monday, December 31, 2007 3:38 PM
  • User-2099785102 posted

    Mikhail... intellisense is turned off, validation is off, all windows are closed including Properties and Solution Explorer, theme reference is removed in web.config and moved all references to third-party (Infragistics) controls to the web.config <pages ><controls> section.

    Still get a long freeze (not responding) after simply typing a space anywhere in the file... with the message "Updating JScript IntelliSense" appearing everytime at the bottom of the app.  <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

    I would love to be able to turn this off.  Is there a file that can be removed, a registry entry that can be modified or something else to turn off JScript Intellisense completely? 

     

    Tuesday, January 1, 2008 12:52 PM
  • User-142784633 posted

    I was able to reproduce the problem by generating a dummy project with nothing but asp controls, no third party controls. I've also disabled anything I could think of in the IDE. The pause I got is about 1 or 2 seconds, which is not as bad as in my real project but the behavior/pattern is the same. However, I am not getting the JS message you're getting. It seems like there are several things happening. I hope the team can crack this one fast, and please Mikhail keep us posted with the slightest change.

     Thanks.

    Wednesday, January 2, 2008 1:02 PM
  • User-863251258 posted

    Thanks for the update Mikhail.  I love VS and the design improvements have me very excited.  I am surprised though that problems that are so easy to recreate made it through testing before VS 2008 was RTM.  I guess I'll continue to struggle through until a patch or workaround is made -- the lag between typing and screen updates will give me time to contemplate more important things in life like love, family, God, and why my company doesn't cater in lunch or beverages.  [:P]

    Thursday, January 3, 2008 9:00 AM
  • User646278957 posted

    HTML editing speed in general is a BIG problem. I've installed VS 2008 on 2 different machines (one of them a Quad-Core with 3GB RAM) without any 3rd party controls/tools and I always get intermittent freezes when editing HTML source code. It's easily reproducable:

    • Create a medium sizes ASPX page with some server controls on it
    • Navigate to a server control in source mode and press SPACE to open Intellisense
    • Now click the mouse to navigate to another server control and the IDE freezes for 1-2 seconds

    Some things I noticed:

    • It seems to get worse if the ASPX file gets larger
    • Removing references to User Controls or closing the Property Windows doesn't help
    • What helps is to switch of Intellisense (Auto list members), but then I could as well use Notepad for editing my HTML files
    • A lot of screen flickering/redrawing goes on when editing HTML (e.g. Solution Explorer and Server Explorer are redrawn on every click in the HTML source file). This is very distracting.

    Please try to provide a fix for this as soon as possible. Contact me if you need a sample project.

    VS2008 is supposed to be a tool for developers. I really don't care that much for fancy designer stuff, but editing source code has to be fast and reliable. I guess many others feel the same way.

    Friday, January 4, 2008 5:20 PM
  • User-863251258 posted

    Is there another way to track this issue?  The lack of a work around is killing us here.  Changes that should take an hour are taking days,

    Monday, January 7, 2008 8:37 AM
  • User-142784633 posted

    Same here; we have actually started breaking some of the larger aspx files into smaller ones. This is a lot of work though.

    Mikhail, I know you don't have an exact estimate, but are we looking at days, weeks, or months. If the later then we need to know as soon as possible so we can make arrangements -- more than likely switch back to VS2005.

    Thank you.

    Tuesday, January 8, 2008 6:29 PM
  • User-1363174918 posted

    Weeks [:)]

    Tuesday, January 8, 2008 6:39 PM
  • User-142784633 posted

    Thanks; I hope not too many [:D]

    Tuesday, January 8, 2008 7:05 PM
  • User-863251258 posted

    We also broke down some of our larger applications - not a bad idea anyway to minimize viewstate anyway.  Anything that wasn't upgraded to 3.5 we've backed off of 2008 and went back to 2005.  We'll be checking here regularly to know when it is safe to try 2008 again.  I already miss some of the nicer things in 2008 like the improved object picker.

    Wednesday, January 9, 2008 1:17 PM
  • User-982480757 posted

    Having same problem and lots of problem like this, but i count on microsoft...

    Friday, January 11, 2008 3:57 PM
  • User-1008145616 posted

    Here too .. had to back out using 2008 and go back to 2005 as it's not useable with this problem and the many other smaller issues related to this problem.

     Love the new editor and hope MS resolves that this issue (and the others that may be related) soon!

     

     

    Friday, January 11, 2008 10:51 PM
  • User1073385872 posted

    I am hoping the the amount of time for the new release in within the next 2-3 weeks.

    I really like the new features in VS2008 but this is extremely frustrating. I might be switching back to VS2005. Lesson Learned here.

    Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:44 PM
  • User1073385872 posted

    Notepad is my friend, Say it with me everyone.

    Notepad is my friend

    Notepad is my friend

    Notepad is my friend

    Notepad is my friend

    Notepad is my friend

    Notepad is my friend

    "Help me, help you"

     

     

    Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:27 PM
  • User-142784633 posted

    Notepad++

    Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:33 PM
  • User-2041658431 posted

     the XML editor is my friend

    Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:38 PM
  • User-712357870 posted

    I have this happening using DevExpress ASPxGridViews in VS2008. Totally painful, so I'm editing in Vim. I can't revert to VS2005 because I need the new Linq O/R Mapper.

    Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:47 PM
  • User1073385872 posted

    There seems to be a new shipment from Microsoft with VS 2008 Team Dev. Hopefully it is a fix to this issue

    Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:43 AM
  • User-1363174918 posted

    The fix is in limited private testing phase, but it is not available for the public download yet.

    Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:57 AM
  • User-998992626 posted

    Can I please be on the private test team?  I'm losing about an hour a day with this freezing issue.  It seems, for us anyway, a problem caused by the Ajax Control Kit.  Our other projects in VS 2008 that don't use the tool kit do not freeze.

    Friday, February 1, 2008 4:13 PM
  • User-1363174918 posted

    Private testing is complete and closed. Update went to production so it will be available for download soon. I will post link to the download here as soon as it is available.

    Friday, February 1, 2008 4:19 PM
  • User-998992626 posted

     

    Any word on getting this update out.  I noticed everytime I switch from one aspx page in the designer to another page my web.config gets updated for some reason.

    Wednesday, February 6, 2008 9:20 AM
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    Friday, February 8, 2008 8:09 PM
  • User300685930 posted

    I installed the beta of this hotfix a few weeks back but don't see that in "Programs Add/Remove" in control panel.  Do I need to uninstall the previous fix beta before installing this new one?

    Saturday, February 9, 2008 12:06 PM
  • User-1363174918 posted

    It is not in Add/Remove Programs, it is in 'Installed Updates'. Yes, you need to uninstall pre-release bits. 

    Saturday, February 9, 2008 1:35 PM
  • User-4264092 posted

    I still observe VS freezing when I change control ids or add/delete controls in the HTML Source view.

     Another annoying delay happens when the solution builds with errors. I have to wait a few seconds before I can do anything.

    Sunday, February 10, 2008 5:25 AM
  • User-639365927 posted

    After installing the hotfix it appears that you can't create a new website anymore.

    Any workarounds? Thanks.

     

    Alex

    Monday, February 11, 2008 11:34 AM
  • User-142784633 posted

    Do you get a specific error because it works fine for me...

    Monday, February 11, 2008 11:47 AM
  • User-639365927 posted

    No specific error, just after instaling the hotfix, choose File->New->Web Site... and the dialog is empty, all fields disabled.

    Monday, February 11, 2008 11:55 AM
  • User-1363174918 posted

    Most probably the issue is unrelated since a) hotfix does not change anything related to templates or IDE code and b) there are reports about sudden template disappearance without the hotfix. Try running devenv /installvstemplates from command line. You can also try uninstalling the hotfix and see if it makes a difference.

    Monday, February 11, 2008 12:07 PM
  • User-142784633 posted

    This is a shot in the dark, but you could try going to Tools -> Import and Export Settings -> Reset all settings

    Monday, February 11, 2008 12:09 PM
  • User-639365927 posted

    This is an issue with the hotfix.

    Uninstalling it returns the functionality back.

    Running devenv /installvstemplates does not help, neither does resetting of all of the settings.

    Every member of our team with the same configuration as mine have the same problem. I have: Windows XP, Visual Studio Team System 2008 Development Edition. Guys on Vista have no problems.

    Monday, February 11, 2008 2:33 PM
  • User-1994235712 posted

    Alexk,

    I was experiencing that problem BEFORE the hotfix. I have no project templates in the File-> New Website dialog. Unfortunately, after the hotfix, I still do not have the website project templates....not that I expected them to magically appear as a result of a completely unrelated hotfix, but maybe this information is useful anyway.
     

    Monday, February 11, 2008 5:46 PM
  • User-1747586707 posted

    Alexk,

    I can't reproduce the problem. Here is my machine config:

    - WinXP Professional SP2 clean machine

    - VS Team System 2008 Development Edition

    - Install the hotfix according to the article http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2008/02/08/vs-2008-web-development-hot-fix-roll-up-available.aspx#5753942

    After the hotfix installation, I can still create a new website, add some controls, and run it as usual. Is there any other step that I need to do to repro the issue?

    Monday, February 11, 2008 8:50 PM
  • User-639365927 posted

    I guess I have figured out what of the problem is. Apparently vs2008 cares for casing in the file paths. I have exported HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\VisualStudio\9.0 before applying the hot fix and after. It appears that the only difference between the two dumps (aside from some uninstall info) is that the latter has most of the file paths starting "c:\\" (lowere case) when the former had those in upper case : "C:\\".

    To anyone who's experiencing similar problem I'd suggest following steps for installing the hotfix:

    • Follow the steps provided with the hot fix release and install it
    • Open regedit and export HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\VisualStudio\9.0 to a .reg file
    • Open the .reg file with a text editor
    • Find-replace all "c:\\" to "C:\\", save.
    • Reapply the .reg file to the registry.
    Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:54 AM
  • User-4264092 posted
    Delay after builds became worse. It freezes now for about 2 minutes. It does it fot both successful and error builds.
     
    Mikhail, is it a known issue?
    Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:02 PM
  • User1005758432 posted

    Not sure if my problem is related; however, VS08 does not propagate any external CSS file and very slow when typing texts inside of a Formview control/Edit Template/Tabe cell. It takes half a second or so for the typed texts to show up on screen. This is rediculous. I can't work in this slow reponse environment. I already apply the February 8th hot fix and the problem still exist. Microsoft have got to get this fix!

    Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:22 AM
  • User1073385872 posted

    I would like to hear from people who have installed the hot fix and the problem. has been resolved.

    Has the hotfix resolved the issue for anyone?

    Generally we only hear the problems I would also like to know if it has worked.

    Monday, February 18, 2008 9:46 AM
  • User-1963835016 posted

    Sorry for not mentioning this earlier, but for me the problem has been solved. The delays with intellisense in HTML source view are almost non-existent now.

    Monday, February 18, 2008 9:56 AM
  • User1005758432 posted

    I would like to hear from people who have installed the hot fix and the problem. has been resolved.

    Has the hotfix resolved the issue for anyone?

    Generally we only hear the problems I would also like to know if it has worked.

    Per the problems I expereinced, it has not been fixed with this hot fix. Whenever I typed anything inside an Edit Template/Table cell, it is so slow. I'm not talking about intellisense. I'm talking about just simply typing some simple texts in design mode/edit template/table cell. And yes there are other problems too like VS08 every now and then quits/crash..but that's another thread.

    Monday, February 18, 2008 10:06 AM
  • User-1363174918 posted

    This problem is not resolved in the update, sorry.

    Monday, February 18, 2008 11:05 AM
  • User-2041658431 posted

    The fix has greatly improved the html source editor's usability. I have not experienced any of the problems listed above... yet.

    If I do, I will be sure to report them.

    -Avi 

    Monday, February 18, 2008 11:18 AM
  • User1005758432 posted

    This problem is not resolved in the update, sorry.

    Any idea when these problems will be fixed? 

    Monday, February 18, 2008 11:45 AM
  • User693614070 posted

     My problem of source freezing every 5 seconds has effectively disappeared. Thank you very much for your help and quick responses.

     I have run into some strange new problems, although I don't know what to attribute them to specifically, because I haven't been using VS 2008 long enough to say that this wasn't happening before the patch. The problem I'm referring to is as follows: sometimes (randomly, can't seem to narrow down exactly what causes this) editing in SOURCE view will cause major page alterations automatically all over the place, such as inserting "&nbsp;", or "&#160;", and also renaming the control tags. 

    This kind of behavior I might expect from the Design view, but again, this is source. We're talking about literally thousands of html markups being put into my source for no apparent reason, as well as additional tags being added onto all of my Telerik controls (adding an additional radG: tag before a telerik element, such as a RadGrid; the result is <radG:radG:  ....>)

     To fix this I do a find/replace all, which is annoying, but not as bad as the freezing problem before.

     I'm curious if anyone else has a similar problem. But again, thanks for your help regarding the freezing issue, it is much appreciated!

     

    Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:06 AM
  • User1005758432 posted

    Sometimes I wonder if we are the tester of MS VS08. It seems that VS08 is VERY buggy. I've used Visual Studio since their first version and it seemed that this version has the most bugs.

    Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:21 AM
  • User-1363174918 posted

    Please see this thread on Telerik controls: http://forums.asp.net/p/1185266/2021014.aspx#2021014 - the workaround is to use same tag prefix.

    Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:03 AM
  • User-1994235712 posted

    Sometimes I wonder if we are the tester of MS VS08. It seems that VS08 is VERY buggy. I've used Visual Studio since their first version and it seemed that this version has the most bugs.

     

    Don't get down on comments like this, MS.  No one on my entire team has had anything but good to say about VS 2008. You did a right fine job!  

    Tuesday, February 19, 2008 5:43 PM
  • User693614070 posted

     I concur. As a developer I can imagine the complexity of the coding going into this product. I'm happy to have access to it even with the bugs, which I know the team is working hard on. Although I don't like Microsoft's direction at times, it's obvious there are extremely talented developers working on this project to make my daily life easier, and that's appreciated.

    Tuesday, February 19, 2008 5:49 PM
  • User1005758432 posted

    Okay, I'll keep my comments about other Microsoft productsto my self for now but let's focus on VS08. The only big reason I upgrade to VS08 is the intellisen on Javascript and that's it. There is nothing in VS08 that VS05 can't accomplish and done it faster with less bugs in VS05, perhaps. I'm was being bombarded with problems after problems in VS08. The program is slow when loading any pages that has CSS that are linked in the master pages. Editing or typing simple texts in table cells take half a second to show up on the screen after I've finished tying the characters...and if I type too fast, instead of a half a second delay, VS08 just won't show all my texts and I have to retype. Table editing in VS08 is horrible in design mode. If there are two columns, left column has the headings and right column has the fill in controls for forms. Headings in the left columns are right align but whenever I want to resize the column size, all the headings moved to the left but the column size of the table never gets resized. And oh, whenever VS08 takes too long to load any @import CSS file, VS08 would just quit (crash). I had to restart CS08 again.

    There are other problems too but I'll leave it at that for now.

    Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:44 AM
  • User1005758432 posted

    And yes, there is one other problem I found (not sure if Microsoft calls it a "feature"). The problem is when I'm editing a Formview control. When I'm going back from a Split view to Design view, there is a half a second delay and then I have to go back to the upper right hand corner of the Formvew control and click Edit Template again to be able to edit formview template. Why can't I just go back and forth between Design and Split view like Dreamweaver. Anyone who uses Dreamweaver will say that going back and forth between split view and design view is a breeze with no delay what so ever. If I'm going to Source mode and coming back to Design view then, perhaps, it makes sense that I have to click Edit Template again, but I mean between Split view and Design should be a breeze. It just bothers me that MS makes this switching so difficult.

    Friday, February 22, 2008 10:45 AM
  • User1073385872 posted

    FYI,

    The delay seems to be much greater when I and running the application on my localhost by hitting (Ctrl + F5) and modifying the HTML at the same time. I have IE 7 on Win XP Pro . Once I stop running the application and close down IE the delay is reduced, but not gone by any means.

     Thought I might post to just in case someone is actually doing this and might help relieve some of the delay.

    Thursday, March 6, 2008 1:32 PM
  • User-1102651582 posted

    I was getting "updating jscript intellisense" in vs2008 status bar everytime I typed (on aspx pages using ajax control toolkit) some error about a problem with an external script reference (the ajaxToolkit:ToolkitScriptManager ?). I installed the fix an the problem has now gone. I checked and my project templates have not vanished from File|New|Project. I am running WinXp Pro.

     
    Thanks for the fix it has been doing my head in for ages.

    Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:50 AM
  • User1005758432 posted

    Okay,  here's a another bug (or Microsoft likes to call it "feature") in the VS08 that I found. I have a FormView control. The page is using a MasterPage with separate file for code behind. I click the FormView control to select it and then double click on the ItemCommand in the Action property. Instead of automatically create a method in the separate code behind .cs file, it automatically create the method inside of the .aspx page within the <script> tag. How do I get it to go automatically create the method in the code behind .cs file?

    Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:13 AM
  • User-735005700 posted

    I'm having a strange problem. I installed VS2008 Express and started on a new Web Site project. Everything went fine. Then I installed VS 2008 Professional and continued on my project, but now VS freezes on me completely. The only thing I can do is to open task manager and kill the process. It happens as soon as I enter the editor on an aspx page and clicks on Design view, OR if I just start VS - enter Tools - go to HTMl Designer and click on CSS Styling. As soon as I click on CSS Styling VS freezes. This is driving me nuts. I can't continue on my VS 2008 project now as I can't edit any aspx pages. I tried to Re-Install, Un-Install and New Install but nothing fixed the problem. I even tried to Install VS 2008 Express again, but the problem is still there in both versions. No errors reported and nothing in the Event Log. I tried to leave it for 1 hour to think about the problem, but it does not un-freeze. Status in Task Manager is "Running" for the process and not "Not Responding" as I normally see on problems like this. I have VS 2005 and VS 2003 installed as well, and they are all fine. ?

     Oh forgot to mention that I also installed the Hotfix, but that did not fix the problem!

    Wednesday, March 19, 2008 7:00 PM
  • User-1363174918 posted

    Since this is a completely separate issue, can you please start another thread on the subject? It is much easier to deal with different issues in different posts. You may also want to look here: http://blogs.msdn.com/mikhailarkhipov/archive/2007/12/14/compatibility-problem-between-vs-2008-and-office-2000-and-how-to-fix-it.aspx

    Wednesday, March 19, 2008 7:28 PM