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Task Manager Reimplementation

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  • This really seems ike a minor problem, I didn't even notice it.

    Regards,

    Dylan Meeus


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    Saturday, September 17, 2011 3:37 PM
  • Appreciate your perspective, but should I not mention the minor problems?  Maybe if no one mentions them they don't get fixed.

     

    Rule number 1 for new implementations should be this:  Windows should remember where you left them and important context inside the application should be remembered as well

     

    Hey, Task Manager remembers how you like your columns organized - why not remember what tab you like to look at most often.  I happen to want to look at Performance more often at the moment.

     

    -Noel

    Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:33 PM
  • Remembering the last tab Task manager was active on is very essential. I always kept the Processes tab (which is now the Details tab) active. But the new Task Manager always opens on the Applications tab. Definitely a thing to fix for the beta.

    Monday, September 19, 2011 7:40 PM
  • Mine opens on processes.
    Just drag the processes tab to the first one, this way, the processes tab will open up first :)

    Regards,

    Dylan Meeus


    0x2B |~ 0x2B Blog : www.it-ca.net/blogdylan
    Monday, September 19, 2011 7:44 PM
  • Just drag the processes tab to the first one

    The tabs in Task Manager (Processes, Performance, App History...) can not be dragged/rearranged.

    I also found it strange Task Manager doesn't reopen on the last viewed tab.

     

    Monday, September 19, 2011 7:55 PM
  • Confirmed, the tabs on the new Task Manager don't move for me either.  I appreciate the suggestion for a workaround, but I wonder if we're talking about the same software.  Dylan, how did you manage to move the tabs?  Do they move with a touch-screen?

     

    But regardless, where's the problem with the tab I used last time remaining current when I open the app, even if it's not leftmost?  I actually like things to remain positionally constant, but opening Task Manager to the tab I used last tends to make the system work more the way I need more often.  And this is something the "old" Task Manager did.

     

    -Noel


    Monday, September 19, 2011 9:24 PM
  • Another thing is noticed which is absent in the new Task Manager is - window management actions on the Processes tab (or what was formerly the Applications tab). It does not have Minimize, Maximize, Cascade and Tile options. It is important to have these in the Task Manager because Windows 7 jump lists replaced context menus and jump lists don't have Minimize, Maximize like context menus had. Also, the Ctrl+click to select multiple Taskbar buttons feature is no longer in Windows 7 so the Task Manager was the app which allowed selecting multiple apps on the Applications tab and doing group minimize or group maximize or group tile/cascade. Raymond Chen describes the use of the window management actions here: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2009/07/30/9852686.aspx. Hope they are added back for the beta for Win32 apps. Metro apps I know - doesn't make sense to have Minimize or Maximize for them which I why I guess they were removed?
    Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:56 AM
  • Seems a little silly, though, to reimplement an application without actually providing every feature the old one did...

     

    Also note that the entries in the Performance tab don't have nearly the time depth they did.

     

    In the //build/ keynote address Steven Sinosfsky was actually proud to announce that they've reimplemented Task Manager, exclaiming that the other one was decades old...  Where does this "fashion" type thinking come from?  Doesn't it occur to people that something that's worked for decades might just be a very good design, which is why there has been no need trash it?

     

    What seems REALLY silly is that the old one still works.  You can see it if you turn off RPEnable in the registry.  If Microsoft follows typical protocol, though, they'll ultimately remove the old application entirely before the release.  My question is this:  Why not leave it there and allow the user a choice of which Task Manager to use (or horror of horrors, even put them both in the Taskbar context menu)?

     

    -Noel

    Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:44 PM
  • Not to sound like a troll but Microsoft HAS been re-implementing dozens of features since Vista and forgetting to include everything the old one did in the new redesigned feature: best example is Explorer but there are several others - Taskbar, Start menu, WMP, Audio stack, Windows Search all the dozens of accessories and tools which were reworked - Defragmenter, Live Mail, Movie Maker, Paint, WordPad, Calculator, Sound Recorder, Picture Viewer. Add Task Manager to the list. I am sure some lame excuse might be given that the window management functions were lesser used and that they removed it because nobody used or needed them. The option to "Show processes from all users" also seems to be missing. Why do I get the feeling the "List of features removed or broken in Windows 8" is going to be very long?
    Tuesday, September 20, 2011 1:00 PM
  • Another deficiency discovered...  In most other apps with column headings, you can double-click the divider between headings and the column will resize to just fit the longest data in any of the rows for that column.

     

    Not in the new Task Manager.

     

    -Noel

    Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:48 PM