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Functionality from FrontPage 2003 Missing In Early EW versions - Available in EW4? RRS feed

  • Question

  • When MS first introducted Expression Web as a replacement for FrontPage,
    I took a look at it, and to say I was extremely displeased would be
    putting it politely.

    I have invested much time and effort in getting FrontPage 2003 to
    produce reasonably good code, and using it as a site management tool.  I
    recognized the problems with the FrontPage Server Extensions, and moved
    away from using them.

    However, I find that I'm rather dependent on the FrontPage Navigation
    View, and on the (third-party) MenuPlus navigation and TOC generators,
    which are client-side tools (that interact with and draw information
    from Navigation View); I don't need any special considerations on the
    server to use them in developing my web, and my site's visitors don't
    need to know about them in visiting the site.

    I understand that the add-ons for FrontPage will not themselves work
    with Expression Web.

    Are there tools in and/or for Expression Web that are as easy to use to
    achieve the same functionality?


    -- Jeff Zeitlin
    Sunday, July 11, 2010 1:40 PM

Answers

  • "Are there tools in and/or for Expression Web that are as easy to use to achieve the same functionality?"

     

    Quite a few for menus

     

    Ajatix for ew 1, 2, 3, 4

    http://www.ajatix.com/css-drop-down-menu/expression-web-add-in.html

    http://www.ajatix.com/pure-css-menu/expression-web-add-in.html

     

    css menu tools for ew 1, 2, 3, 4 and frontpage 2003

    http://cssmenutools.com/css-menus-products/horizontal-css-menu/expression-web-addin-css-menu.html

    http://cssmenutools.com/css-menus-products/horizontal-css-menu/expression-web-addin-css-menu.html

    http://cssmenutools.com/css-menus-products/vertical-menu-advancer/expression-web-add-in.html

     

    Plugin for ew 1 and 2 - also has a TOC

    http://www.pluginlab.com/expression-web-add-ins

     

    sothink menus (not sure for what versions)

    http://www.sothink.com/product/dhtmlmenu/integration.htm#ew

     

    xtreeme for ew 1 possibly 2

    http://www.xtreeme.com/expression-web-menu/

     

    Though for a TOC ... sine fp03 I've been using a sitemapper ... I used to use coffeecup sitemapper but that became no longer free though i have the free version .. I then started using http://www.xml-sitemaps.com/ which lets me create a x/html sitemap .. though i have to tweak the look of it ... which is good because with a fp toc you cannot add descriptions which is MUCH better for seo (search engine optimisation) purposes. You can also make a xml sitemap for search engines. Also quite a variety of other methods. The code output from a fp toc bot is  not that great.

    The same as you moved from a fp  form .... time to look at other methods for toc's and menus.

    The best reason to move to ew is for the code error reporting and the css editor .... has been since version 1.0 ... Now it has superpreview which is also a great help and other various helpful things for asp.net php and media... the first to are worth the move alone. However keep fp because its always handy to be able to use old addons and though everyone says backup .. which you should do.. i never have any problem moving between the versions even down to fp98 on any one site thats because my code will work with anything.

    you can upgrade at around $79 since you have fp03 to ew4 ... i would get the trial and give it a go.... read my setting up ebook which is free to start off with the best help.

    hope this helps

    Tina

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     


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    Thursday, July 15, 2010 12:49 AM

All replies

  • The Navigation View is gone. It is not in EW4. I suggest that you keep a copy of FP2003 and any FP-specific add-ins handy so that you can retain the functionality.

    It's good that you are not relying on FP Extensions--that was a good move.

    --P


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    Sunday, July 11, 2010 1:47 PM
  • On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 13:47:49 +0000, Preston B wrote:

    The Navigation View is gone. It is not in EW4. I suggest that you keep a copy of FP2003 and any FP-specific add-ins handy so that you can retain the functionality.

    Thank you; I have no intention at the present time of moving to
    Expression Web at all; as long as I can get FrontPage 2003 to work on my
    system, I will do so - and this is specifically because of the loss of
    functionality that moving to Expression Web would involve.

    It's good that you are not relying on FP Extensions--that was a good move.

    I felt that particular move was inevitable quite a while before
    Microsoft decommitted from supporting them; I was seeing frequent needs
    to uninstall and reinstall them on the site, because they kept getting
    corrupted - and it was as bad on Windows-based servers as on Linux-based
    servers.

    The only functionality that I used that initially required FPSE support
    was

         (1) Publishing.  I could have switched to using FTP from FP, except
             that I also needed (at the time)...
         (2) Site Search, and
         (3) Email Form Results.  The former was replaced with a free custom
             Google search, which proved faster and more flexible in terms
             of being able to search; I could be happier if there were a way
             to use a custom output format.  The latter was replaced with
             James S. Huggins's HEFS, a PHP script that doesn't require
             strong PHP knowledge, and offers quite a lot of flexibility,
             with less risk of compromise than some of the more widely known
             and available form-to-email scripts.

    Once I switched to Google custom search and HEFS, I was able to publish
    using FTP from FP, and thus had ZERO need for the FrontPage Server
    Extensions.


    -- Jeff Zeitlin
    Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:56 PM
  • Jeff,

    I have a small website http://www.capttomhughes.com and I've been using FP with it's extentions from the get-go.  I would like to change the extentions to FTP, but do not know how.

    Any information you can give me on how to do this would be greatly appreciated.  I can redo my site if I have to.

     

    Many Thanks,

    Tom

     

     

    Wednesday, July 14, 2010 3:41 PM
  • I suggest you work through the BasicWebsite tutorial in the before posting sticky. It was created with FrontPage users in mind. Work through the W3C material reference in that sticky as well. Also, in the tutorial section of by-expression.com are some simple css based menus that are more flexible and faster loading than the FP bots and easy to maintain using unordered lists.

     


    MS MVP Expression Tutorials & Help http://by-expression.com
    Wednesday, July 14, 2010 9:35 PM
  • IMHO,

    It seems to me that you are running the risk of denying  yourself access to the enormous functionality of EW 4 in order to retain the limited functionality of FP 2003.  I do not know how many or how large the sites you are dealing with are.  I can admire your decision to stand by you guns so to speak.  But at some point will you not do just as well with NOte Pad and Filezilla?

    Just a thought,

    MIKE E


    "It's like déjà vu all over again." — Yogi Berra
    Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:45 PM
  • Tom,

    Regarding your FP site and a possible re-do. I had a lot of trouble trying to update some of our FP sites and found in the long run it may in some cases be easier to re-build them with either EW or DW in order to have them be W3C compliant. It might be an opportunity to update the site as well.

    Regarding search and forms and a lot of the old FP functions it would be nice if more add ons and third party goodies were available for EW to do these things. I am sure over time we will see more. Its stunning to me how much is out there for Dreamweaver, seems like almost everything imaginable. If EW had that range I would use it for more of our sites. I hope with EW4 at last people will develope more stuff for it, it would help a lot. Not everyone is a code head.

    Wednesday, July 14, 2010 11:01 PM
  • "Are there tools in and/or for Expression Web that are as easy to use to achieve the same functionality?"

     

    Quite a few for menus

     

    Ajatix for ew 1, 2, 3, 4

    http://www.ajatix.com/css-drop-down-menu/expression-web-add-in.html

    http://www.ajatix.com/pure-css-menu/expression-web-add-in.html

     

    css menu tools for ew 1, 2, 3, 4 and frontpage 2003

    http://cssmenutools.com/css-menus-products/horizontal-css-menu/expression-web-addin-css-menu.html

    http://cssmenutools.com/css-menus-products/horizontal-css-menu/expression-web-addin-css-menu.html

    http://cssmenutools.com/css-menus-products/vertical-menu-advancer/expression-web-add-in.html

     

    Plugin for ew 1 and 2 - also has a TOC

    http://www.pluginlab.com/expression-web-add-ins

     

    sothink menus (not sure for what versions)

    http://www.sothink.com/product/dhtmlmenu/integration.htm#ew

     

    xtreeme for ew 1 possibly 2

    http://www.xtreeme.com/expression-web-menu/

     

    Though for a TOC ... sine fp03 I've been using a sitemapper ... I used to use coffeecup sitemapper but that became no longer free though i have the free version .. I then started using http://www.xml-sitemaps.com/ which lets me create a x/html sitemap .. though i have to tweak the look of it ... which is good because with a fp toc you cannot add descriptions which is MUCH better for seo (search engine optimisation) purposes. You can also make a xml sitemap for search engines. Also quite a variety of other methods. The code output from a fp toc bot is  not that great.

    The same as you moved from a fp  form .... time to look at other methods for toc's and menus.

    The best reason to move to ew is for the code error reporting and the css editor .... has been since version 1.0 ... Now it has superpreview which is also a great help and other various helpful things for asp.net php and media... the first to are worth the move alone. However keep fp because its always handy to be able to use old addons and though everyone says backup .. which you should do.. i never have any problem moving between the versions even down to fp98 on any one site thats because my code will work with anything.

    you can upgrade at around $79 since you have fp03 to ew4 ... i would get the trial and give it a go.... read my setting up ebook which is free to start off with the best help.

    hope this helps

    Tina

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     


    Expression  Web Help | Expression Web Blog | Migrating from FrontPage to Expression
    Free Setting up EW Ebooks - Free EW Community Toolbar - Free Site Templates

    Thursday, July 15, 2010 12:49 AM
  •  

    I have invested much time and effort in getting FrontPage 2003 to
    produce reasonably good code, and using it as a site management tool.  I
    recognized the problems with the FrontPage Server Extensions, and moved
    away from using them.

    However, I find that I'm rather dependent on the FrontPage Navigation
    View, and on the (third-party) MenuPlus navigation and TOC generators,
    which are client-side tools (that interact with and draw information
    from Navigation View); I don't need any special considerations on the
    server to use them in developing my web, and my site's visitors don't
    need to know about them in visiting the site.

    If you don't want to may the move to Expression Web, you might want to give Sharepoint Designer 2007 a try. The program is free from MS and does support some of the fp bots including the navigation bot.It gives you access to the improvements made to Expression Web.

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=baa3ad86-bfc1-4bd4-9812-d9e710d44f42&displaylang=en

    Many of the tutorials for the earlier versions of Expression Web will work with SPD.

    The reasons that Tina mentioned in her post are available in SPD 2007.

    "The best reason to move to ew is for the code error reporting and the css editor .... has been since version 1.0 ... Now it has superpreview which is also a great help and other various helpful things for asp.net php and media... the first to are worth the move alone. However keep fp because its always handy to be able to use old addons and though everyone says backup .. which you should do.. i never have any problem moving between the versions even down to fp98 on any one site thats because my code will work with anything."

    You may even find the differences are worth moving to a newer version of EW. SPD is more like EW 1.

     

    pat


    Pat Geary Microsoft MVP Expression Web http://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/ http://www.expression-web-tips.com/
    Friday, July 16, 2010 4:57 PM