New Article: Recommendations Regarding FPSE and Expression Web RRS feed

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  • We've just published a new KB article that describes some best practices for using Expression Web and also on the use of the FrontPage Server Extensions with Expression Web.


    Thank you.


    Jim Cheshire -- Microsoft
    Monday, September 12, 2011 1:41 PM

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  • Vegan, did you actually read the article?  It discourages FPSE use. 
    Monday, September 12, 2011 7:40 PM
  • FP Extensions are very obsolete, I use PHP to replicate some of the functionality. C# can do the same job.

    No ISP I am aware of has offered that for more than 5 years.


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    ISP's don't offer extensions, hosting companies do, and mine does to this day.


    Expression Web MVP
    Monday, September 12, 2011 8:25 PM
  • Note that the article explicitly says this:

    "Although the FPSE are currently supported on Windows Server 2003 and Expression Web is able to use the FPSE, Microsoft strongly recommends that you use alternate methods when authoring and publishing with Expression Web."

    Please read the article for additional details.


    Jim Cheshire -- Microsoft
    Monday, September 12, 2011 8:39 PM
  • My point Vegan, was that you were adding on information that was not needed.  The article already discussed the status of FPSEs.  Your specific case of not using them is beside the point.

    Monday, September 12, 2011 8:55 PM
  • "No ISP I am aware of has offered that for more than 5 years."

    No airplane I am aware of has ever flown over my house.

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    Monday, September 12, 2011 9:24 PM
  • Who still uses FP anymore?

    Zillions of people!
    Saturday, September 17, 2011 2:20 PM
  • On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:39:54 +0000, Vegan Fanatic [MVP] wrote:

    I am using an out of the box Server 2008 R2, it likes HTML, ASP, ASPX, PHP, and so on.

    Who still uses FP anymore?

    I eliminated the requirements for the FrontPage Server Extensions quite
    some time ago, but I still use FrontPage 2003 for updating and managing
    my site - it has some features that are lacking even in the fourth
    iteration of Expression Web, and I rely on a third-party design-time
    component for handling navigation and section index generation.  I've
    also largely beaten it into submission, and the code on my site is
    mostly clean.  As I learn more, I update my templates and CSS files, and
    go back and update older pages - which FrontPage handles reasonably

    When Vermeer Technologies originally created FrontPage, it generated
    utter crap by modern standards (and it was bad even by then-current
    standards), and the crap it generated would only work as intended on the
    then-current version of Internet Explorer.  It was positioned as a tool
    for people who didn't know HTML and weren't interested in learning it.
    Over time, after Microsoft purchased it from VTI, the code generation
    was improved, and it became easier for a knowledgeable person to use
    some facilities but not others to get even better code out of it - but
    MS never attempted to reposition it.  By the time MS decommitted from
    it, it was (in the hands of a skilled person) almost where
    knowledgeable users wanted it to be - but it still generated poor code
    when NOT handled by a knowledgeable person. I acknowledge the rationale
    for decommitting from FrontPage, but I regret it all the same, because
    features that would have been useful even to a knowledgeable user were
    omitted, and the users who wanted those features were told, in effect,
    to go stuff - that MS had decided that we actually DIDN'T want those
    features, whether we did or not, in Expression Web.

    I disagree with MS.  And since FrontPage 2003 still works just fine for
    me, I am continuing to use it.

    -- Jeff Zeitlin
    Sunday, September 18, 2011 6:40 PM
  • I disagree with MS.  And since FrontPage 2003 still works just fine forme, I am continuing to use it.
    - Jeff Zeitlin

    FP 2003 is still one of the most sought after editors in the industry and I've seen people pay 3 times as much for it as EW4 cost. I know professional designers that sill use it with success and I'm certainly not going to try to tell them it's dead.

    We have a few sites we manage that were built in FP2000, 2002 and 2003 and we still manage them in those editors. We have 3 sites in FP2000 that are still landing on the front page of Google and look and work the same in all the browsers so we sure as heck not going to mess with them. All we do is give them a small face lift once a year. One of them is a large e-commerce site, the owner and his buyers are happy so why mess with it just because the guru's say FP is dead and doesn't work anymore. SEO is what's keeping the sites up there, not the editor.

    If the FP sites we manage begin to break then we would do something with them. FPSE..we use them for publishing only and will continue to use them as long as they're available.  We just finished a large corporate site with several 1000 files in it,,sure was glad for the FPSE when we uploaded it.

    Well, everyone's got their own opinion so I tell anyone that asked me what editor to use...download the trials and see which one works best for you.

    Monday, September 19, 2011 3:15 PM