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  • When I visited MSDN today I noticed a new box encouraging me to try a new layout (loband IIRC) and then I noticed there was also an option for ScriptFree. The first one (that was encouraging me in the first place) was not to my liking (idk, just not my style) but the ScriptFree is IMHO so much nicer.

    It's clean, it does it's thing, it doesn't take up as much space. It loads faster.

    I'll be using it for now, and if I can find some more constructive feedback I'll offer it, but for now just wanted to offer some appreciation to the devs.

    Cheers
    Please don't forget (and feel free to remind me) to post if you got the answer you wanted, and select who really answered your post when you do so future visitors will know too! Remember, this is .NET 4.0 in a .NET 3.5 world, you're a pioneer right now.
    Monday, October 19, 2009 3:50 PM

All replies

  • Really nice.
    Jonny
    Monday, October 19, 2009 4:12 PM
  • Great, loads way faster and is much cleaner, focused on content.

    Monday, October 19, 2009 4:58 PM
  • ScriptFree is reallly cool, I always like plain and simple. Way to go!
    Monday, October 19, 2009 5:01 PM
  • Liked it.

    Thanks.
    Monday, October 19, 2009 5:17 PM
  • Tried all three, I'm liking the scriptfree the best.
    Monday, October 19, 2009 6:38 PM
  • Of the 3, I like script free best.. plain and simple
    Monday, October 19, 2009 7:06 PM
  • Love the script free!
    Monday, October 19, 2009 8:30 PM
  • +1, liking it clean and fast.
    Dwayne Robinson
    Monday, October 19, 2009 8:38 PM
  • Yep, even with broadband Internet and a fast machine, I prefer the ScriptFree over the other formats.  You get the info you need, without all of the distracting extraneous elements.  Thanks MS!
    Monday, October 19, 2009 9:19 PM
  • +1

    ScriptFree is awesome. I wish more people designed sites with simplicity and function in mind above all.

    Keep up the awesome work.
    Monday, October 19, 2009 10:36 PM
  • +1

    Love ScriptFree!

    Monday, October 19, 2009 10:58 PM
  • same here. lightweight is a close second.
    Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:11 AM
  • ScriptFree is fantastic. Wish it was available years ago.
    It's so good I even signed in to post this, (and that's saying a lot).
    Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:12 AM
  • Signing this thread!

    ScriptFree is really great,, i like it... 

    big turn on msdn!
    Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:39 AM
  • ScriptFree, compact, clean, simple - just super :)
    Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:41 AM
  • I like the ScriptFree layout quite a bit ... it's simple and fast.

    I think a little more work could go into the navigation pane on the left, however. It's not clear, without playing around with it a bit, how exactly it is divided up.

    -Trevor Sullivan
    Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:56 PM
  • Great effort and inspirational work.  I really like it.  Though i do agree that both ScriptFree and Lightweight need work on the left panel navigation. 

    Regards,


    kashif
    Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:01 PM
  • I agree - ScriptFree is the best
    Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:59 PM
  • Script Free is certainly the best.  The main reason being; most of the time, I hit msdn from a search engine and just want that page content.  I rarely use the navigation within msdn. And SF loads the fastest, cleanest to read.  beautiful.
    Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:31 PM
  • Nice efforts MS team :)
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    Wednesday, October 21, 2009 4:41 AM
  • True, "Script Free" looks nice, you can search for the contents easily, everything is clean and tidy
    Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:17 AM
  • Very nice nad very fast ..... I too liked the ScriptFree View.

    Thanks Developers for giving this option.
    Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:47 AM
  • Really great view. Also I quite like the fact that the top div with MSDN picture was made small.
    Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:14 AM
  • Nice, Fash and Clean
    I hope learning C# better using this new look
    Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:40 AM
  • +1 for the Script Free lok, fast, easy to read and efficient.  Also looks the best.
    Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:36 PM

  • It's clean, it does it's thing, it doesn't take up as much space. It loads faster.

    Ditto. Like the ScriptFree best of three options.
    Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:49 PM
  • ScriptFree is the best.
    Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:54 PM
  • Finally some Real Estate optimization as the old site had 2 x 2 pixels of content area left :-)

    Should be able to adjust the width of the left menu . Don't control the user, let the user control the site!

    Solution Architect specialised in integration (EAI/SOA/A2A/BizTalk) based in Toronto, Canada. http://blog.percepsys.com
    Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:01 PM
  • Giant thumbs up on the ScriptFree.
    Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:10 PM
  • Scriptfree rocks! keep it
    Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:37 PM
  • Love it!!!!!!!!
    Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:08 PM
  • I like the look, but I really don't care for the left-hand navigation.  I prefer the 'classic' view as the left navigation frequently gets obscured in the other views.  I also like the fact that the main content stays in place while scrolling the navigation.
    Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:17 PM
  • The ScriptFree view presents a clean, easy to read and fast loading page. It's purely focused on the content. I'll be using this view for as long as they keep it around.
    Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:01 AM
  • Very Nice !!!
    Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:22 AM
  • Wow.  34 replies and all positive.  Maybe I'm unusual, but for me there are so many things wrong with this page layout...and they have been there for years.  First, several people complained about left nav.  I rarely use it because most of the time I'm looking for details on a specific property, method or event (PME).  Once in awhile I have time to browse the docs like a catalog, but rarely.  I say, get rid of left nav as it wastes real estate.  Replace it with a link to the parent object or topic and another link to the table of contents and an index.  People search by typing, not browsing through giant lists of stuff.

    Now for the details: I typically discover a PME from Intellisense.  I should be able to highlight the PME in my code, hit F1 and be taken almost instantly to a page with the following in order:

    1. PME name, type (if appropriate), link to class (if appropriate) and namespace each on a separate line. 
    2. What is it?  A concise description of its purpose and place in the world.
    3. A concise example which includes the "using" clause and the required assembly reference.  Don't make me dig through 100 lines of code looking for a line where the PME is used or hunt to figure out what I need to reference or add to "usings" to use the thing (this would be the case if I did not discover via Intellisense.)
    4. Move the syntax to the bottom.

    Other page design requests:

    Let me specify my language with a simple click.  Remember it, and don't show me any other language implementations unless I choose.  Don't waste a whole chunk of real estate in the middle of the page with tabs to other languages.

    Put a Search box at the top of each page.  Near it let me specify some technologies to keep searches narrow which are remembered from day to day.  I should be able to enter these in a predictive text box, comma separated.  Maybe I'm only doing Web stuff.  Don't show me Windows Forms stuff.  I'm a SharePoint dev these days.  I don't care about Windows Mobile!  Remember, fewer, more relevant results beats tons of irrelevant ones any day.

    Run the new page layout past a group of experienced developers and see how they use it.  Stop making me use Google and avoiding MSDN unless I want to be irritated.

    Thank you for trying to make a dev's life more satisfying.

    Brian

     

    Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:30 PM
  • I agree, ScriptFree is much better looking and far more usable than the normal theme.
    Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:50 PM
  • Like the new fast script-free version. I am doing a lot of learning reading through MSDN library and find the navigational tree very useful. It provides me with a structured and categorized way accessing information that is well ordered.

    With the script free version, I can also easily navigate through the library and read the articles on my mobile phone IE Mobile. This came really handy a few days ago when I was traveling.

    Thanks.

    Sunday, October 25, 2009 3:48 AM
  • The new looks are really good and faster. But the tree view on the left is the best when it comes to ease of learning and reference. Thanks :-)

    Monday, October 26, 2009 9:04 AM
  • Agree, i really like the Scriptfree layout!
    Monday, October 26, 2009 1:20 PM
  • I really like the simple layout of the Script Free design. It still has unnecessary levels of nesting - I would love to see the class members, constructors, properties and fields on the same page as the general class description, without needing to drill down. I also systematically get annoyed at the class method descriptions - the link from the method seems to indicate that there might be a more detailed method description available. Following the link almost never turns anything up. Ideally all of this would be available on the same page. For my use, javadocs does an awesome job of displaying everything on one page. It may be overwhelming the first time you see it, but it very quickly becomes really efficient for finding information.
    Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:59 PM
  • Love it!
    Friday, October 30, 2009 12:20 AM
  • ScriptFree is simple and nice . thanks.

    Friday, October 30, 2009 4:39 PM
  • Very nice indeed. A vast improvement.
    Friday, October 30, 2009 9:13 PM
  • I've never posted anything on these forums but I've been using the MSDN library for years. ScriptFree is great. So great that this is my first (and probably last) post. Keep up the good work.
    Saturday, October 31, 2009 10:59 AM
  • I let dozen of comments on MSDN to tell how slow was the loading (mainly because of the very large tree on the left side)... Sometimes I thought it was useless to send comments, noone is reading comments... But I was false : they read them !

    Incredible ! The ScriptFree view is exactly what I needed : quick load, simple display, easy to read.

    Thanks a lot for these new view option I was waiting for years !

    Good job guys !

    Sunday, November 1, 2009 5:09 AM
  • Options are helpful - new options are an improvement on Classic when searching for things like obscure error issues. Making searching quicker as more information appears to be in a page.

    Sunday, November 1, 2009 8:56 AM
  • +1 here! 
    Hope there is a whole class page for .Net class library for convenience. I mean something like the Sun java online doc index page and the whole class page for searching specific class.
    Monday, November 2, 2009 7:59 AM
  • I hated to use MSDN before, because it worked so annoying slowly, and used google instead to search for .NET documentation.
    But thanks to Scriptfree, now the speed is good, and google is not needed any more.
    Good job! I wish every developer to focus on simplicity, functionality and speed!
    Monday, November 2, 2009 9:31 AM
  • Not only saves a lof of space for more useful information, but also looks nice and neat.


    An experienced programmer of vs
    Monday, November 2, 2009 10:59 PM
  • Agree with most of above. ScriptFree is great!
    Tuesday, November 3, 2009 4:08 PM
  • @Brian (Ferd Berfel)

    I'm in the same boat as you, "Wow, who expected this many replies?!?" I was just saying thumbs-up to the devs.

    But you're somehow upset at the new layout. My advice is simply "Don't use it". Use what you like and are familiar with. I doubt they'll kill the classic layout in the next five years.

    Secondly, you _do_ realize you can navigate right to an element if you'll just understand the URL, right?

    Also, they are caching a lot of stuff. Like language preferences. And this begging for a search box means you're not using this as a reference, so goto Bing if you want search.

    And fwiw, I am a dev. For more'n'a dozen years now.
    Please don't forget (and feel free to remind me) to post if you got the answer you wanted, and select who really answered your post when you do so future visitors will know too! Remember, this is .NET 4.0 in a .NET 3.5 world, you're a pioneer right now.
    Thursday, November 5, 2009 6:02 PM
  • OK, Cole, since you invited a reply, here goes:

    Yes, thumbs up that at least the speed problem has been addressed.  I prefer fast over fancy any day.

    "Don't use it".  Heh, so what else am I supposed to use inside MSDN?  This is the only page layout they offer in terms of what is displayed and in what order.

    "Navigate to an element using the URL".  Wow, that's a nifty user experience for a site designed for developers!  Come on!  But I decided to see what you meant, so I went to the C# ++ Operator at http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/36x43w8w.aspx.  Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see how to get to the && operator by modifying that URL.

    Begging for a Search box.  Uh, I'm not begging, just pointing out that it's missing from the page.  And *of course* I'm using the MSDN Library as a reference.  Who has time to browse around thousands of pages...I have work to do.  Bing will give me 309,000 pages about the ++ Operator.  I only need one.  I tried it and naturally the first hit is for a page that does not help me with the ++ Operator.  So this is not a solution.

    "You're a pioneer right now."  Huh? Microsoft has been in business for how long?  And I'm supposed to feel fortunate that I get to pioneer their pathetic new attempt at documentation?  It's inexcusable.  The UNIX man pages I used in 1984 were better designed.
    Thursday, November 5, 2009 10:29 PM
  • Definitely like the ScriptFree layout, even on my 30MBps cable at work, the old layout was kinda of cludgy at times, this is great =)
    Friday, November 6, 2009 4:11 PM
  • I resurrected my ancient MSN account to comment on this--the ScriptFree layout is incredible.
    Friday, November 6, 2009 4:52 PM
  • Couldn't agree more. I love the speed of the Script Free layout. The pages look much cleaner and easier to navigate without the user interface clutter.  

    Please make the change permanent!

    Bill
    Friday, November 6, 2009 9:30 PM
  • ScriptFree is the way to go.
    Monday, November 9, 2009 1:53 PM
  • ScrptFree is great, much cleaner, lighter and faster!

    but also true, navbar takes a significant amount of space, no search textbox (maybe not so bad because of search in the browser itself) and the thing that gets me the most, no way of changing to information on other versions, for SQL2008 I always like to see the version of the documentation for SQL2005 and in .NET take a peek in both directions 2.0 and 4.0.

    Great job, keep it up!
    Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:11 PM
  • I like the script free version in that it looks clean and loads quick, but it's a backwards step in terms of functionality. Without the big tree you get lost in the nav and without the fancy breadcrumb trail you can't explore the documentation as easily. These are good features but I think they were just implemented in a big clumsy manner
    Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:22 PM
  • I agree with Cole, ScriptFree the way to go. Thumbs up from me :o)
    Friday, November 13, 2009 2:40 AM
  • I loved it and the lightweight layout - makes it easier to find the information that I need, by devoting most of the display area to viewing information.  Until today I've always avoided visiting the site because it was too painful for the reward - now I feel much more comfortable using it.  Congratulations for the new design :).
    Friday, November 20, 2009 10:54 PM
  • Although I do prefere the lighter version, I would like it even more if the default font size was 100% instead of 0.7 em. In my opinion the default font size on web pages should always be 100%, and to be reduced or grown only when necessary as in headings and so on.

    Sunday, November 22, 2009 11:58 AM
  • I like the look, but I really don't care for the left-hand navigation.  I prefer the 'classic' view as the left navigation frequently gets obscured in the other views.  I also like the fact that the main content stays in place while scrolling the navigation.
    I really like how there is very little clutter and clean content with the ScriptFree version.  But I like how the left navigation provided information about this page's (1) child pages, (2) sibling pages, (3) and parent pages.  This information could be captured near the bottom of the page and free up the whole left nav area for content. My 2 cents.
    Monday, November 23, 2009 1:59 AM
  • Missing Search box.

    Text Size too small:
    I am not sure if I am the only one, but on IE8, with Text Size->Medium setting the text is too small. If I make it Text Size->Large it becomes legiable, but then bing and other website's text becomes too big, so I have to reset it to medium. On Text->Medium for ex, this particular page I am typing on is legible, but the box I am writing in is smaller font. Why oh Why??
    Wednesday, December 9, 2009 4:05 PM

  • kudos to the dev team, great work!!

    Script free is much more readable and focused on content. It also loads faster as everyone else said.

    The Lightweight layout is also more appealing than the original pages, :-)
    Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:29 AM
  • I just found it today looking for some CListBox help. Real nice. MS must be actually listening LOL.
    Wednesday, December 16, 2009 5:23 PM
  • When I visited MSDN today I noticed a new box encouraging me to try a new layout (loband IIRC) and then I noticed there was also an option for ScriptFree. The first one (that was encouraging me in the first place) was not to my liking (idk, just not my style) but the ScriptFree is IMHO so much nicer.

    It's clean, it does it's thing, it doesn't take up as much space. It loads faster.

    [...]


    I especially enjoy the lightweight layout too. It was at least four years I was expecting such a cleaner page layout.

    It displays faster, it is more handy.


    Hope this will not stay beta and will be soon confirmed to be always available.

    P.S. Unfortunately, it seems the MSDN forum does not like Opera very much. I had to re-open the page in IE in order to post this comment. It does nothing with Opera browser (by the way, I guess MS does not like Opera Software.. you know why ...).

    Saturday, December 19, 2009 3:35 AM
  • I agree!  Great layout.  My favorite part is that the main content actually has margins!
    Thursday, February 4, 2010 5:12 PM
  • I like the script-free version a LOT better (loads faster, and is generally more usable).
    Monday, February 8, 2010 8:36 PM
  • The new layout is a little better than the old, but script free is excellent - personally I could do with slightly larger code text. Any chance of applying the same clean-up to other UIs?
    Thursday, February 11, 2010 8:07 PM
  • Same here... love it.

    But, almost useless w/o search. Don't make me google your ____. =)
    Saturday, February 20, 2010 7:19 AM
  • MSDN Community content annotations are displayed as HTML code under the ScriptFree layout.  Busted.
    Christopher Yeleighton
    Monday, April 19, 2010 9:25 AM
  • ...Let me specify my language with a simple click.  Remember it, and don't show me any other language implementations unless I choose.  Don't waste a whole chunk of real estate in the middle of the page with tabs to other languages.


    Brian


    Exactly my thinking. I never cared about abysmal Visual Basic that Microsoft shovels on people like crazy monkey. Other languages are ok, but I just want to be able to clean up the so called "lightweight" view.

    Otherwise all the "fast loading" is just a gimmick here.

    Monday, April 19, 2010 6:09 PM
  • Good
    Wednesday, June 2, 2010 6:39 PM
  • When I visited MSDN today I noticed a new box encouraging me to try a new layout (loband IIRC) and then I noticed there was also an option for ScriptFree. The first one (that was encouraging me in the first place) was not to my liking (idk, just not my style) but the ScriptFree is IMHO so much nicer.

    It's clean, it does it's thing, it doesn't take up as much space. It loads faster.

    I'll be using it for now, and if I can find some more constructive feedback I'll offer it, but for now just wanted to offer some appreciation to the devs.

    Cheers
    Please don't forget (and feel free to remind me) to post if you got the answer you wanted, and select who really answered your post when you do so future visitors will know too! Remember, this is .NET 4.0 in a .NET 3.5 world, you're a pioneer right now.


    leyang
    Friday, July 8, 2011 8:32 PM
  • And now ScriptFree is going away. So sad. Could we file some kind of request in connect.microsoft.com or etc?

    Wednesday, February 6, 2013 6:13 PM