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KB951847 update requested after installing .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 (Full Package) RRS feed

  • Question

  • Situation - After performing a fresh install of XP Professional with the following,
    the Microsoft Windows Update Service prompts for download and install of KB951847.

    Win-XP-Pro  SP2 - new install
    Win-XP-Pro  SP3 - update
    Windows IE-7 - install
    .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 (Full Package)

    When I start the Microsoft Update Service to obtain patches, I am prompted to
    download and install (KB951847) which is a 69.2 MB download.  My home
    system is on a dial-up line (4-10 hours of connect time).  My work location
    has a 100 MB connection to Internet.  This KB appers to be an update that
    should have been included in the .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 (Full Package).

    Documentation for KB951847 states that this is the .NET Framework 3.5 SP1.
    Is this KB already installed with .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 (Full Package)?
    If Yes - How do I tell Microsoft Windows Update to ignore the install of:
    KB951847

    Otherwise, How do I obtain the 69.2 MB file for KB951847 using my Internet
    at work so I can take a CDROM home for install?

    Looking at other documentation, I have not installed the following KBs
    after installing .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 (Full Package).  Do these need
    to be installed in order to satisfy the KB951847 via Windows Update?

      KB958481 Update for .NET Framework 2.0 Service Pack 2
      KB958483 Update for .NET Framework 3.0 Service Pack 2
      KB958484 Update for .NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1

    Ref: KB959209 regarding the above files.

    Where do I go from here?


    Good systems are supportable
    Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:18 PM

Answers

  • Steve,

    KB951847 is the umbrella KB number for the .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 which was released on 8/11/2008. Shortly after the release of the .NET Framework 3.5 SP1, we released an app-compat update for this as KB959209.

    Customers that on a clean machine scan for updates on Windows Update will be offered both the .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 and the app-compat update KB959209 in one transaction and both of these will be installed. Customers that have already installed KB951847 manually would be offered KB959209 only.

    I see from your post above that you have already installed the "full" version of the .NET Framework by downloading this yourself and you are now being offered the app-compat update KB959209. You should install this app-compat update for the .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 since it contains important reliability and stability fixes for the .NET Framework 3.5 SP1. The full list of fixes is included in the published KB articles.

    Please let me know if you have any other questions or run into other issues.

    Regards,
    Jamshed Damkewala
    Lead Program Manager, DevDiv Sustained Engineering Team
    • Marked as answer by Steve Hathaway Friday, February 12, 2010 4:19 PM
    Friday, February 12, 2010 2:14 AM
  • Thank you for Heath and Jamshed's kindly help.

    Hi Steve,

    Is this KB already installed with .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 (Full Package)?

    The update titled “Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1 and .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update (KB951847)” will upgrade computers with .NET Framework 2.0, 3.0, 3.5 to the latest version of the .NET Framework 3.5 SP1, and will also apply "Microsoft .NET framework 3.5 Family Update (KB959209)”.

    For KB959209, it updates computers already running .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 with the latest compatibility fixes.
    For more information on this KB, please check: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/959209.

    Thus, as Jamshed mentioned, since you have installed .NET Framework with SP1 full package, you should approve KB959209 to make .NET Framework 3.5 with SP1 perform more reliable or better.
    You can manually download it from the following link:
    Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update for Windows XP x86, and Windows Server 2003 x86
    Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update for Windows XP x64, and Windows Server 2003 x64

    Hope this helps! If you have any concern, please feel free to let me know.

    Best regards,
    Yichun Chen
    MSDN Subscriber Support in Forum
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    • Marked as answer by Steve Hathaway Friday, February 12, 2010 4:19 PM
    Friday, February 12, 2010 6:30 AM

All replies

  • This package is the .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 package. Windows XP Professional does not install .NET 3.5 SP1 or any version of the .NET Framework for that matter. Because SP1 includes so many changes and must be redistributed by developers, it is the complete package.

    You can download this separately to CD-ROM or any other media from http://download.microsoft.com/download/2/0/e/20e90413-712f-438c-988e-fdaa79a8ac3d/dotnetfx35.exe . This is the complete redistributable, however, and is about 231 MB. The package on Windows Update is targeted specifically to your machine configuration.

    To minimize download, it's best to either let Windows Update download and install the package, or download the web bootstrapper for .NET 3.5 SP1 from http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=992cffcb-f8ce-41d9-8bd6-31f3e216285c .
    Deployment Technology Group, Microsoft http://blogs.msdn.com/heaths
    Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:28 PM
  • The problem is:

    I have already installed the (.NET Framework 3.5 SP1 - Full Package) using the
    dotnetfx35.exe file that you mention which is the 231 MB file.

    Windows Update still wants me to download and install the 69.2 MB for KB951847
    which claims to be the (.NET Framework 3.5 SP1).

    How then can I tell the Microsoft Windows Update Service on XP that the KB951847
    is already installed by the (.NET Framework 3.5 SP1 - Full Package) so that
    the additional updates can be indexed and collected?

    Do I need to install the following patches to keep the Microsoft Windows Update Service
    happy?  Will these resolve the KB951847 wanting to download and install via WSUS?

      KB958481 Update for .NET Framework 2.0 Service Pack 2
      KB958483 Update for .NET Framework 3.0 Service Pack 2
      KB958484 Update for .NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1

    Ref: KB959209 regarding the above files.

    Are these KB's included in the Microsoft Windows Update Service schedule
    after KB951847 is resolved?

    Are these KB's included in the (.NET Framework 3.5 SP1 - Full Package)?

    Are these KB's included in the KB951847?

    Is there a quick way to know whether these KB's are installed?



    Good systems are supportable
    Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:07 PM
  • The KB959209 that describes:

      KB958481 Update for .NET Framework 2.0 Service Pack 2
      KB958483 Update for .NET Framework 3.0 Service Pack 2
      KB958484 Update for .NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1

    is NOT part of the Bootstrap or Full Package install of 3.5-SP2
    but should be installed immediately after successful install of 3.5-SP2.

    I'm still unsure why WSUS continues to prompt for install of KB951847
    since a successful install of Framework 3.5-SP2 has been performed.
    Good systems are supportable
    Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:31 PM
  • Steve,

    KB951847 is the umbrella KB number for the .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 which was released on 8/11/2008. Shortly after the release of the .NET Framework 3.5 SP1, we released an app-compat update for this as KB959209.

    Customers that on a clean machine scan for updates on Windows Update will be offered both the .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 and the app-compat update KB959209 in one transaction and both of these will be installed. Customers that have already installed KB951847 manually would be offered KB959209 only.

    I see from your post above that you have already installed the "full" version of the .NET Framework by downloading this yourself and you are now being offered the app-compat update KB959209. You should install this app-compat update for the .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 since it contains important reliability and stability fixes for the .NET Framework 3.5 SP1. The full list of fixes is included in the published KB articles.

    Please let me know if you have any other questions or run into other issues.

    Regards,
    Jamshed Damkewala
    Lead Program Manager, DevDiv Sustained Engineering Team
    • Marked as answer by Steve Hathaway Friday, February 12, 2010 4:19 PM
    Friday, February 12, 2010 2:14 AM
  • Thank you for Heath and Jamshed's kindly help.

    Hi Steve,

    Is this KB already installed with .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 (Full Package)?

    The update titled “Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1 and .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update (KB951847)” will upgrade computers with .NET Framework 2.0, 3.0, 3.5 to the latest version of the .NET Framework 3.5 SP1, and will also apply "Microsoft .NET framework 3.5 Family Update (KB959209)”.

    For KB959209, it updates computers already running .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 with the latest compatibility fixes.
    For more information on this KB, please check: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/959209.

    Thus, as Jamshed mentioned, since you have installed .NET Framework with SP1 full package, you should approve KB959209 to make .NET Framework 3.5 with SP1 perform more reliable or better.
    You can manually download it from the following link:
    Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update for Windows XP x86, and Windows Server 2003 x86
    Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update for Windows XP x64, and Windows Server 2003 x64

    Hope this helps! If you have any concern, please feel free to let me know.

    Best regards,
    Yichun Chen
    MSDN Subscriber Support in Forum
    If you have any feedback on our support, please contact msdnmg@microsoft.com

    Please remember to mark the replies as answers if they help and unmark them if they provide no help.
    Welcome to the All-In-One Code Framework! If you have any feedback, please tell us.
    • Marked as answer by Steve Hathaway Friday, February 12, 2010 4:19 PM
    Friday, February 12, 2010 6:30 AM
  • Jamshed,

    The KB951847 was the token supplied with the WSUS instead of KB959209, even though the latter is the content actually being installed.

    When manuallly updating the system:

    1.  Install the (Full Package) for .NET Framework 3.5 SP1

    2.  Install the KB969209 in the following order:
    You cannot vote on your own post

           KB958481 Update for .NET Framework 2.0 Service Pack 2
           KB958483 Update for .NET Framework 3.0 Service Pack 2
           KB958484 Update for .NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1

    This will resolve the WSUS tests for KB951847.
    This has now been tested on my home computer - updated by files instead of WSUS.
    My Dial-up Internet connection can now collect the KB's of the next set of required updates.

    Since I have Dial-up at home and 100Mbps Internet at work, I collect the KB files
    from work and place on CDROM or USB-Drive so that my Dial-up telephone is
    not off-hook for 4-15 hours just to download updates.

    Good systems are supportable
    Friday, February 12, 2010 4:18 PM
  • Hi Steve,

    I'm so glad to hear this good news. Cheer!

    Have a nice day!

    Best regards,
    Yichun Chen
    MSDN Subscriber Support in Forum
    If you have any feedback on our support, please contact msdnmg@microsoft.com
    Please remember to mark the replies as answers if they help and unmark them if they provide no help.
    Welcome to the All-In-One Code Framework! If you have any feedback, please tell us.
    Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:35 AM
  • Same issue on the update.

    I loaded this tool:  http://www.windowsuu.com/tag/remove-net-framework-tool-dotnetfx_cleanup_tool/

    It removed ANY and ALL traces of NET Framework from my system.

    I went to Microsoft, and downloaded:

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=d0e5dea7-ac26-4ad7-b68c-fe5076bba986

    It is the full Net Fram pkg, all 231MB.  I ran it, then all the updates I was having trouble with ran fine.  Problem solved.

    Regards, Mike, End User.
    Tuesday, March 16, 2010 5:09 AM
  • This package is the .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 package. Windows XP Professional does not install .NET 3.5 SP1 or any version of the .NET Framework for that matter Because SP1 includes so many changes and must be redistributed by developers, it is the complete package.

    You can download this separately to CD-ROM or any other media from http://download.microsoft.com/download/2/0/e/20e90413-712f-438c-988e-fdaa79a8ac3d/dotnetfx35.exe . This is the complete redistributable, however, and is about 231 MB. The package on Windows Update is targeted specifically to your machine configuration.

    To minimize download, it's best to either let Windows Update download and install the package, or download the web bootstrapper for .NET 3.5 SP1 from http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=992cffcb-f8ce-41d9-8bd6-31f3e216285c .
    Deployment Technology Group, Microsoft http://blogs.msdn.com/heaths

    It's long, Is there any new release for this?
    Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:09 AM
  • i  have  the  same  problem  afetr  downloading  on  my  flash  drive  the  microsoft  small  basic  program  and  Visual  basic  2008  express   they  alll  want   .net  framework  3,5   but  none  will   download   to  my  computer  because  i  cannot   afford  or    get  internet   this  life   time;

     

     

    is   there   anything   i  can  do  ....to    practice  my  code  lessons   and   download   small  basic  or   Visual  studio   2008   express...

    irondoor827@hotmail.com 

    Wednesday, March 30, 2011 12:31 AM