Answered C# Training?

  • Friday, June 27, 2008 4:17 PM
     
     
    Can someone please recommend the best Computer Based Training that will help my employees reach their MCPD certifcation?  I want to buy one that will have a license for up to 6 developers to use.  I want it to be for .NET 3.5 too.

    Thanks for any help.
    Michael

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  • Friday, June 27, 2008 5:23 PM
     
     

    Use the MS Learning Website to find what Microsoft recomends you to read for getting certified: http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcpd/default.mspx

    I'd recommend you to acquire the Trainging Kits (book + cd) for the exams your developers will have to sustein. Depinding on what they wanna specialize, you'll have to choose one of the following:

    http://www.microsoft.com/mspress/books/11736.aspx
    http://www.microsoft.com/mspress/books/10600.aspx
    http://www.microsoft.com/mspress/books/9469.aspx


    Lucian Baciu, MSP, MCTS, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
  • Friday, June 27, 2008 5:56 PM
     
     
    My question was for computer based training.  I am looking for CD's we can buy/get.
  • Friday, June 27, 2008 6:01 PM
     
     
    the book has a companion cd which i think it includes a pdf version of the book. it also has code samples that illustrates the topics discussed in the book.

    i don't know of other CDs. you could see some webcasts about the topic you choose to learn, but I retain my opinion that the official training kit is the best chioce 
    Lucian Baciu, MSP, MCTS, http://studentclub.ro/lucians_weblog
    • Proposed As Answer by TheBigOnion Friday, June 27, 2008 6:20 PM
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  • Friday, June 27, 2008 6:20 PM
     
     
    If there is someone else out there that knows what a CBT is, please help me with this.
  • Friday, June 27, 2008 6:35 PM
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    Check this thread for good books and you could try practice test vendors like Transcenders not their training but the exams because it comes with why the answers are correct or wrong.  The reason you need good books is because exam 70-536 covers a lot and is required. 

    http://forums.msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/csharpgeneral/thread/36ae287f-a54e-44f2-842b-8dd8bbebbd1c






    Asp.net MVP, MCPD Web C#, MCITP BI & MCTS SQL Server 2005
  • Friday, June 27, 2008 7:35 PM
     
     
    Is there anyone out there that understands what a CBT is?
  • Friday, June 27, 2008 8:04 PM
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    I think they have pretty much covered the most common Computer Based Training you will find on the certification tests.  Even if you found something along the lines of "Mr. Professor", that type of training would most likely be inferior.  The best way I know of to learn the stuff is just plain simple brain-busting coding experience.  No lecture, book or video is on par.
    You might check out what is available in your area at a junior college.

    Rudedog

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  • Friday, June 27, 2008 8:37 PM
     
     
    Wow, that's got to be the stupidest answer I've ever seen.  There are several companies that create CBT systems for training in .NET 3.5.  I am just looking for anyone with some experience with one of them to give me a recommendation.
  • Friday, June 27, 2008 8:48 PM
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    Please don't be rude to other users I have passed three of the seven MCPD 2.0 exams and I am still telling you it will not be easy to find CBT that will cover all seven exams.

    Microsoft is not even recommending MCAD upgrade because the fail rate was too high.


    Asp.net MVP, MCPD Web C#, MCITP BI & MCTS SQL Server 2005
  • Friday, June 27, 2008 9:12 PM
     
     
    Thanks for the information.  Please try to understand my fustration.  So many people come into these forums and places answers with nothing to do with the question.  Sometimes it is very hard to get an straight answer.
  • Friday, June 27, 2008 9:20 PM
     
     
    Can someone help me understand what all test one would need to take in order to going from zero exams to MCPD cert 3.5?  This site is a little confussing.  http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcpd/vstudio/2008/default.mspx  Thanks.
  • Friday, June 27, 2008 9:38 PM
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    If you want Enterprise there are five exams but for each concentration you need three exams but one exam is required for all that is the 70-536.  So the place to start is the MCTS page and then the MCPD page because some of the MCTS don't have MCPD exams out yet.  The platforms that were introduced with .NET 3.0 WPF, WCF and WWF plus ADO.NET which I am still researching because it is new are just only MCTS.

    http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcts/vstudio/2008/default.mspx

    http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcpd/vstudio/2008/default.mspx


     


    Asp.net MVP, MCPD Web C#, MCITP BI & MCTS SQL Server 2005
  • Friday, June 27, 2008 9:42 PM
     
     
    Thanks,  you have totally confused me. lol :)

    Please IM me at michael  underscore poz  at hotmail dot com
  • Friday, June 27, 2008 10:43 PM
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    Yes it is confusing, I have changed the grouping so you will understand, the first three exams are new platform two from .NET 3.0 and one from .NET 3.5 the first two are MCTS only with no MCPD track but the ADO.NET MCTS is also required for Enterprise MCPD.  I am assuming you remember I told you about exam 70-536 it is from .NET 2.0 because the CLR is still the same with some add ons.


    MCTS: .NET Framework 3.5, Windows Presentation Foundation Applications

    Exam 70-536

    Exam 70-502


    MCTS: .NET Framework 3.5, Windows Workflow Foundation Applications


    Exam 70-536

    Exam 70-504


    MCTS: .NET Framework 3.5, ADO.NET Applications

    Exam 70-536

    Exam 70-561


    The tracks below here the first one is from .NET 3.0 it is replacing Web Service in .NET 1.1, then Distributed in .NET 2.0. The Enterprise certification is now four MCTS and one qualifying exam so Enterprise MCPD is six exams while in .NET 2.0 VS2005 it was five exams.  So if you choose to do Asp.net MCPD and Winform MCPD you need seven exams for Enterprise MCPD in .NET 3.5 and six exams for .NET 2.0.

    MCTS: .NET Framework 3.5, Windows Communication Foundation Applications

    Exam 70-536

    Exam 70-503



    MCTS: .NET Framework 3.5, Windows Forms Applications

    Exam 70-536

    Exam 70-505



    MCTS: .NET Framework 3.5, ASP.NET Applications

    Exam 70-536

    Exam 70-562


    MCPD: Windows Developer 3.5

    Exam 70-536

    Exam 70-503

    Exam 70-563

    MCPD: ASP.NET Developer 3.5


    Exam 70-536

    Exam 70-562

    Exam 70-564


    MCPD: Enterprise Application Developer 3.5


    MCTS: .NET Framework 3.5, Windows Communication Foundation Applications

    Exam 70-536

    Exam 70-503

    MCTS: .NET Framework 3.5, Windows Forms Applications

    Exam 70-536

    Exam 70-505

    MCTS: .NET Framework 3.5, ASP.NET Applications

    Exam 70-536

    Exam 70-562

    MCTS: .NET Framework 3.5, ADO.NET Applications

    Exam 70-536

    Exam 70-561



    Exam 70-565:PRO: Designing and Developing Enterprise Applications using Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5


    Please print this out and use it with the links so you will understand.


    Asp.net MVP, MCPD Web C#, MCITP BI & MCTS SQL Server 2005

    • Edited by CaddreModerator Friday, June 27, 2008 10:52 PM correction
    • Edited by CaddreModerator Sunday, June 29, 2008 9:34 PM made clear
    • Marked As Answer by jack 321 Thursday, July 03, 2008 2:02 AM
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  • Wednesday, July 23, 2008 2:41 PM
     
     
    Thank you for that explanation, really helpful.
    I already have the book for exam 70-536 but I don't have the companion cd, where can i download it for free? :D
    Your answer would be very helpful to me.

    Thanks in advance


    ostrovia13
  • Wednesday, July 23, 2008 5:12 PM
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    I don't think that book is a good book for that exam because Microsoft published two very long erratas for that book and I have seen people say it only covers 75 percent of the exam.  I have covered the details about how to pass this exam in the thread below.

    http://forums.msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/CertGeneral/thread/016f96cd-3f7b-4ffe-b332-282b512f11dc


    Asp.net MVP, MCPD Web C#, MCITP BI & MCTS SQL Server 2005
    • Proposed As Answer by ostrovia13 Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:15 AM
    • Marked As Answer by CaddreModerator Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:19 PM
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