Orcas Beta 2!!!

Question

SWEET!

 

Any word on which version of Entity Framework made it into this bad boy?

Answer 1

 

Since the Entity Framework is now shipping separately from Orcas, the Orcas beta 2 does not include any Entity Framework bits, and unfortunately the existing CTP will also not work with beta 2.  We will, however, have a beta version of the entity framework sometime in August that will work with beta 2 (and have some additional goodies <grin>).

 

- Danny

Answer 2

Sometime in August.

 

You really appreciate that we evaluate your products?

 

 

Answer 3

Believe me, if there were some way to release it sooner with the level of quality that is needed and including the first CTP of the designer which we have promised will be part of this release, then we most certainly would.

 

We very much appreciate the effort that so many of you put into evaluating our products, and we're doing our best to get them into your hands just as fast as we can.  We're very sorry for any inconvenience this delay causes.

 

- Danny

Answer 4

Thank you Mr. Daniel; I understand; I'll wait submissively.

Answer 5

I for one thoroughly appreciate the time and efforts of your team and look forward to the next release.  I understand the complexity/depth of the problem you're trying to solve and am willing to wait a few weeks to see the next chapter in this incredible story!

 

O/R mapping is truly the Vietnam of computer science.  I'm glad to see there is so much effort being put in doing it "right" and taking the time in doing so.

 

I've been very encouraged and impressed with what I've seen so far, but then again I guess I'm easy to impress.

 

Answer 6

I hope this get sorted soon. Now being at Beta 2 and having followed vNext for over a year now it's becoming a barrier to using it. I was hoping we'd be testing integration by this point. I appreciate the effort however, but at least some integration would be nice with the more complex stuff to come.

 

Can i use the Visual Studio Web Developer just release for ADO to generate my classes from my tables and compile these and use them in the Orcas beta 2 release? Right now i just want to be able to generate entity classes as quickly as i can from my tables without resorting to the dreaded NHibernate which i used and hated (due to endless bugs).

 

thanks,

steven

http://livz.org

Answer 7

Daniel Simmons - MSFT wrote:

Since the Entity Framework is now shipping separately from Orcas, the Orcas beta 2 does not include any Entity Framework bits, and unfortunately the existing CTP will also not work with beta 2.  We will, however, have a beta version of the entity framework sometime in August that will work with beta 2 (and have some additional goodies <grin>).   - Danny

May i ask why it was decided to ship seperatly? I guess to me its like having to download ado.net 2.0 framework with VS2005. I thought VS2008 Beta 2 was feature complete. Why is it not part of the base .net framwork 3.5? Is it going to remain this way? I have enjoyed the framwork being one install and i hope newer versions do not change this.

Answer 8

 

Please see the following ado.net team blog posting (and the data access strategy linked from it) for more information about this decision: http://blogs.msdn.com/adonet/archive/2007/04/28/ado-net-entity-framework-update.aspx

 

It is our long-term plan to fold the entity framework back into the core .net framework releases, but it just won't make the Orcas release.  We're continuing development on it, and it will ship in April 2008, but since Orcas will be shipping before that, we've had to pull the entity framework out of the Orcas betas and instead release our betas/CTPs along-side the Orcas releases but not actually in the box.

 

- Danny

Answer 9

Daniel Simmons - MSFT wrote:

Please see the following ado.net team blog posting (and the data access strategy linked from it) for more information about this decision: http://blogs.msdn.com/adonet/archive/2007/04/28/ado-net-entity-framework-update.aspx   It is our long-term plan to fold the entity framework back into the core .net framework releases, but it just won't make the Orcas release.  We're continuing development on it, and it will ship in April 2008, but since Orcas will be shipping before that, we've had to pull the entity framework out of the Orcas betas and instead release our betas/CTPs along-side the Orcas releases but not actually in the box.   - Danny

I appreciate the fast response danny. It appears that they don't think they can get it done in the timeframe for orcas release in feb but they want the framework to be a whole. I am glad they are rolling it back into the framework. I think this is the right decision. I'm excited for ORM type functionality in ADO.Net and can't wait to give it a try.

thanks,
ncage