I was just playing some more and figured out a way around it, maybe there are others, but this is one.
Just simply create them in individual areas of the designer, and then set all of the position properties to the same position manually in properties, and they sit on top of each other nicely without becoming children. Now it works wonderfully.
It must be the drag and drop "feature" in the designer that defaults to making them children.
I will take any other hints that anyonehad though.
Thanks again,
Joe