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Will the comming Windows XP SP3 include .Net framework 2.0 or higher?

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  • Hello.

     

    Will the .Net Framework 2.0(or 3.0/3.5) be inclueded in the comming WIndows XP SP3? I hope to get Microsoft's official voice about this question.

     

    I'm a .Net developer(WinForm, not ASP.Net), to deploy the applications are tough works. My application getting just about 2M, but have to add the dotnetfx.exe(23M), people are unwilling to download such big an installation.

     

    As I know, WIndows Vista include's .Net Framework 3.0, but most Windows OS are Windows XP(see http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=11) , most WinXP dose not include .NetFx 2.0+.

     

     

    Micosoft say that .Net framework is part of the OS, but in fact most are not! Microsoft urge us to develop .Net applications instead of Java, but not provide the platform to run the applicaitons.

     

    And now there's an opportunity to ship .Net framework to most MS's OS, that's WIndows XP SP3. the SP3 beta is more than 300M as I know, we don't care it add's another 23-50M (dotnetfx2 or dotnetfx3) or not.

     

    If .Net 3.0 be integrated to the Windows XP, about 85%+ OS will ready to run XAML/XBAP applications ( I think most people will install XP SP3 after it released),  windows platform's developers will consider to develop the next generation windows applications.

     

    I'm plan a new system and to decide to based on .Net or native win32, so I post this question here. I hope to get more information about the .Net framework will integrated into XP SP3( or by none-optional windows update) or not.

     

    Thank you!

    Saturday, December 08, 2007 6:51 AM

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  • We do not have any plans to put .NET Framework 2.0+ into Windows XP Service Pack 3.

     

    Your customers can get .NET Framework 2.0+ via an optional Windows update on Windows XP and Windows Server 2003.

     

    Right now if you have .NET Framework 2.0 or 3.0 Gold installed on Windows XP or Windows Server 2003, you can download .NET Framework 2.0 SP1 and 3.0 SP1 from Windows Update. We are working to replace the Windows gold offerings with SP1 only offerings in the near future.

     

    Although it is not a perfect world, where we had the frameworkd installed with Windows XP SP3, the good news about the 2.0 SP1 and 3.0 SP1 are the same size as Gold and are slip stream versions.

     

    Our numbers show that we've in fact had a very substantial number of end users install .NET Framework 2.0 & 3.0 Gold and are already making very good progress via Windows Update to move our customers to the corresponding .NET Framework service packages.

    Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:56 AM
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    No one know this or care about this?
    Monday, December 10, 2007 4:54 AM
  • We do not have any plans to put .NET Framework 2.0+ into Windows XP Service Pack 3.

     

    Your customers can get .NET Framework 2.0+ via an optional Windows update on Windows XP and Windows Server 2003.

     

    Right now if you have .NET Framework 2.0 or 3.0 Gold installed on Windows XP or Windows Server 2003, you can download .NET Framework 2.0 SP1 and 3.0 SP1 from Windows Update. We are working to replace the Windows gold offerings with SP1 only offerings in the near future.

     

    Although it is not a perfect world, where we had the frameworkd installed with Windows XP SP3, the good news about the 2.0 SP1 and 3.0 SP1 are the same size as Gold and are slip stream versions.

     

    Our numbers show that we've in fact had a very substantial number of end users install .NET Framework 2.0 & 3.0 Gold and are already making very good progress via Windows Update to move our customers to the corresponding .NET Framework service packages.

    Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:56 AM
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  • It seems a bad news to me. :-)

     

    And thanks a lot!

    Tuesday, December 11, 2007 12:41 PM
  •  Aaronru - MSFT wrote:

    We do not have any plans to put .NET Framework 2.0+ into Windows XP Service Pack 3.

     

    Your customers can get .NET Framework 2.0+ via an optional Windows update on Windows XP and Windows Server 2003.

     

    Right now if you have .NET Framework 2.0 or 3.0 Gold installed on Windows XP or Windows Server 2003, you can download .NET Framework 2.0 SP1 and 3.0 SP1 from Windows Update. We are working to replace the Windows gold offerings with SP1 only offerings in the near future.

     

    Although it is not a perfect world, where we had the frameworkd installed with Windows XP SP3, the good news about the 2.0 SP1 and 3.0 SP1 are the same size as Gold and are slip stream versions.

     

    Our numbers show that we've in fact had a very substantial number of end users install .NET Framework 2.0 & 3.0 Gold and are already making very good progress via Windows Update to move our customers to the corresponding .NET Framework service packages.

     

     

    Yeah I agree with HXMCN here, that is unfortunate. The machines here don't have .NET 2.0 on them and the IT department aren't going to spent the required time deploying it on all the machines (even though they have group policy they don't seem to use it, yeah I know). It would have been good having it as part of a service pack. IT would be willing to spend the time install that. Thats a shame.

    Tuesday, December 11, 2007 1:39 PM
  • Certainly this is very unfortunate.  I have developed many academic applications in C#, and recently, also including WPF in the hope that SP would carry out the lates .NET.  I am looking forward in switching back to Java after this news.

    All the best
    Paulo C.
    http://pcarvalho.com
    Sunday, December 23, 2007 1:43 PM
  • What exactly do you mean when you refer to the ".NET Framework 2.0 or 3.0 Gold"?
    Also, what do you mean about the 2.0 SP1 and 3.0 SP1 being slip stream versions?
    Friday, January 04, 2008 2:23 AM
  • Those are great questions.

     

    When thinking about a service package, it can either make a hard prerequisite that in order to install the Service package that the product must be installed to a certain base point, like or example if product FOO released, then FOO SP1 might say that in order to install FOO SP1 that FOO released must be installed first.

     

    A slipstream package, is FOO SP1 that does not require FOO Released to be installed, because it contains all of the FOO Released bits + the updated bits from the FOO SP1 in a single package.

     

    When thinking about FOO Released, it can also be called FOO GOLD, FOO RTM (released to market), or some other similar idea.

     

    The following are the locations for .NET Framework 2.0 & 3.0, Gold (released or RTM) & SP1

     

    .NET Framework 2.0 GOLD is the released version that shipped in 2006:

    x86:

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=0856EACB-4362-4B0D-8EDD-AAB15C5E04F5&displaylang=en

    x64:

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=B44A0000-ACF8-4FA1-AFFB-40E78D788B00&displaylang=en

    ia64:

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=53C2548B-BEC7-4AB4-8CBE-33E07CFC83A7&displaylang=en

     

    .NET Framework 2.0 SP1 (SP1 == service pack 1) was just released:

    X86:

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=79BC3B77-E02C-4AD3-AACF-A7633F706BA5&displaylang=en

    X64

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=79BC3B77-E02C-4AD3-AACF-A7633F706BA5&displaylang=en

    ia64:

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=32E77AE0-96EF-4ECD-A157-9BF61A7C8DAA&displaylang=en

     

    .NET Framework 3.0 GOLD is the released version that shipped in 2007:

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=10CC340B-F857-4A14-83F5-25634C3BF043&displaylang=en

     

    .NET Framework 3.0 SP1 (SP1 == service pack 1) was just released:

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=EC2CA85D-B255-4425-9E65-1E88A0BDB72A&displaylang=en

    Friday, January 04, 2008 6:14 PM
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  • Then I guess native programming is the best solution then.
    Talking about that, why don't the .NET team ever think about having an option where developers can compile there application to native code? I guess they are trying to help the native programmers that is not willing, or at least not yet willing to look at .NET from losing their jobs!!?!
    If they can put .net framework in vista, why can't they do that to XP SP3? Doesn't that ~25 MB worth the convenience to the .NET developers?
    Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:12 AM
  • Hi,

     

    There is another thing that would be good, if all the Frameworks could be packaged into one MSI. From what I have seen v2, v3, and v3.5 are three seperate downloads so any development with v3.5, for a machine that has no Framework, requires an additional three installs, which is a bit excessive.

     

    It would be good if the framework itself checked for updates the same way Java does.

     

    I think Microsoft has created a great development library but at the moment it's very troublesome getting the Framework on machines.

    • Proposed as answer by Sebastian.Net Monday, August 31, 2009 2:05 PM
    Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:21 AM
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    Thanks for the feedback.  It is a very good point.  We will consider it as we are thinking about the next version of the framework.

     

    Best regards!

    Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:32 AM
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  • Hi,

    And the framework 1.1 isnot included too?

    Monday, August 31, 2009 2:07 PM