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Recognition System and MSDN Blogs

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  • It is stated that the new recognition system will take into consideration MSDN Blog posts.  Aren't MSDN Blogs only for Microsoft Employees?  How does this benefit non Microsoft Employees and people who have blogs on Wordpress, Blogger etc.?


    Jeff Wharton
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    • Mutat de Tina_Tian 13 iulie 2011 06:42 off topic (From:MSDN, TechNet, and Expression Profile and Recognition System Discussions)
    • Mutat de Sean Jenkin 13 iulie 2011 16:40 (From:Off-Topic Posts (Do Not Post Here))
    1 iulie 2011 10:45

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  • I appreciate the feedback Jeff, thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. 

    For now there are no plans to open up the MSDN and TechNet blog platforms beyond Microsoft Employees, and no plans to add additional blogging platforms directly into the MSDN/TechNet recognition system. We are thinking about how to incorporate contributions not directly on the MSDN/TechNet sites in the future though through other means.

    Specifically on the blogs: They are just one part of the overall recognition system across all the MSDN/TechNet apps. Yes, it does restrict who can earn recognition in one area but that's not really that different than pieces of the recognition system only moderators will earn here in the forums. You may feel it's wrong that we are placing importance on employees in one part of the system but it is important that those who do contribute to the MSDN/TechNet community are recognized for their contributions. The trust and authority factor along with the (likely) high quality content are two very important parts in the recognition program.

    The blogs recognition will go live over the next few weeks (along with the Forums update and the TechNet Wiki). We'll have more specific details on how it works and how people can be involved around that time. Hopefully that'll help alleviate some concerns and answer some questions.

    6 iulie 2011 02:38

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  • It will benefit non-Microsoft employees in two ways:

    1. If you comment or rate on blogs posts that will count towards your recognition.
    2. It will allow readers of the blogs to know more about author and the quality/authority of their blog posts.

     

    5 iulie 2011 17:44
  • I still don't see how this is going to benefit non-Microsoft people who blog. 

    Yes we will get a few points by commenting on a Microsoft Employees blog post (which will be open to abuse as people will just search for blog posts and comment on them) however as we cannot blog on MSDN or TechNet, we will never get awarded points for blogs we publish via other providers.

    If you want to include blog posts in the recognition system, you need to:

    1. Open the MSDN and TechNet blog platform to non-Microsoft Employees, or
    2. Add aditional blog platforms i.e. WordPress, BeyondRational, Blogger etc

    With regards to point 2, how will this result in points be awarded to non-Microsoft Employees?

    What you have essential done with this new recognition system is place more importance on Microsoft Employees rather than the community which is wrong.


    Jeff Wharton
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    5 iulie 2011 23:12
  • I appreciate the feedback Jeff, thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. 

    For now there are no plans to open up the MSDN and TechNet blog platforms beyond Microsoft Employees, and no plans to add additional blogging platforms directly into the MSDN/TechNet recognition system. We are thinking about how to incorporate contributions not directly on the MSDN/TechNet sites in the future though through other means.

    Specifically on the blogs: They are just one part of the overall recognition system across all the MSDN/TechNet apps. Yes, it does restrict who can earn recognition in one area but that's not really that different than pieces of the recognition system only moderators will earn here in the forums. You may feel it's wrong that we are placing importance on employees in one part of the system but it is important that those who do contribute to the MSDN/TechNet community are recognized for their contributions. The trust and authority factor along with the (likely) high quality content are two very important parts in the recognition program.

    The blogs recognition will go live over the next few weeks (along with the Forums update and the TechNet Wiki). We'll have more specific details on how it works and how people can be involved around that time. Hopefully that'll help alleviate some concerns and answer some questions.

    6 iulie 2011 02:38
  • Thanks for the added explanation Sean.

    but it is important that those who do contribute to the MSDN/TechNet community are recognized for their contributions.

    I agree in part and that's why it concerns me as there are a very large number of contributors to the MSDN/TechNet platforms that won't be recognised in the same manner as MS Employees. It also concerns me that "some" MS Employees blog and interact with the forums/community not because they want too, but because they have too therefore giving recognition for their contributions when they are based on salary requirements just doesn't sit well.

    The trust and authority factor along with the (likely) high quality content.

    Unfortunately I don't agree with this statement as it's this perception that misleads people into thinking that contributions from MS Employees are more authoritative and of higher quality when in fact they can actually be of very poor quality. This is why there are so many blogs providing assistance to the community and why the MVP/MCC programs (to name a few) were created as Microsoft realised that community contributors played a very big part in Microsoft's success.

    The blogs recognition will go live over the next few weeks (along with the Forums update and the TechNet Wiki). We'll have more specific details on how it works and how people can be involved around that time. Hopefully that'll help alleviate some concerns and answer some questions.

    and

    They are just one part of the overall recognition system across all the MSDN/TechNet apps

    The specific details on how this will work should be released prior to going live providing all contributors with the ability to seek clarification on the proposed changes. Currently we are left to wonder what's really going on and whether our contributions across all platforms will be duly recognised

    Don't get me wrong. I don't dislike MS Employees (most of my friends are employees) and I'm looking forward to this much needed change. I'm just a little concerned about the lack of information (secrecy) and that we seem to be heading back to the good ole days where it was us vs them i.e. Unless you were a MS Employee you weren't treated with the same respect.


    Jeff Wharton
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    6 iulie 2011 03:38
  • As a small chime in, a few of the achievements themselves are rewarded for "forums moves", which indicates actions that only moderators can carry out are eligible for recognition.

    Is there anything else that's been ring fenced off in such a manner?


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    6 iulie 2011 21:14
  • Why was this moved to this forum??????


    Jeff Wharton
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    13 iulie 2011 08:41
  • Yes, this was perfectly OK for that forum. May be by accident while cleaning the forum of all the unrelated threads (BTW, I answered one question recently that was better suited in T-SQL - I guess it could have been moved to Off-Topic also).

    UPDATE. Looks like it was some massive cleanup, say, many of old threads in correct forums were moved such as this one, for example

    http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/Offtopic/thread/d17947d2-19c2-4b37-b823-c0783323d35d/


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    13 iulie 2011 14:21
  • Looks as if the lack of documentation around the Recognition System has caused a large number of users to become confused and upset.  This is why I stated that you should release full details of the changes before it went live!
    Jeff Wharton
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    18 iulie 2011 03:58
  • Looks as if the lack of documentation around the Recognition System has caused a large number of users to become confused and upset.  This is why I stated that you should release full details of the changes before it went live!
    Jeff Wharton
    MSysDev (C.Sturt), MDbDsgnMgt (C.Sturt), MCT, MCPD, MCITP, MCDBA
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    Do you have links to the "large number of confused and upset users"?
    18 iulie 2011 17:23
  • Just have a search of all the forums relating to forum issues, recognition system etc and you will see all the upset and confused people
    Jeff Wharton
    MSysDev (C.Sturt), MDbDsgnMgt (C.Sturt), MCT, MCPD, MCITP, MCDBA
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    18 iulie 2011 22:33
  • This user http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/Profile/thread/22706cb6-7a33-4e49-a24d-986d2481badc seems to be pretty upset...

     


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    18 iulie 2011 23:26
  • As a small chime in, a few of the achievements themselves are rewarded for "forums moves", which indicates actions that only moderators can carry out are eligible for recognition.

    Is there anything else that's been ring fenced off in such a manner?



    Just Forums (for Moderators) and Blogs (FTE and CSG authors). But any member of the community can become a Moderator.
    Ed Price a.k.a User Ed, Microsoft Experience Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)
    14 septembrie 2011 01:51
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  • Jeff,

    See Sean's answers. The answers aren't what you want, but they do answer your initial question.

    I think you have excellent points. Fortunately, non FTE and non CSG folks can post on TechNet Wiki, and we'll keep inquiring about opening up the blogs system. It's definitely a popular request. Thanks!


    Ed Price a.k.a User Ed, Microsoft Experience Program Manager (Blog, Twitter, Wiki)
    14 septembrie 2011 01:54
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  • For now there are no plans to open up the MSDN and TechNet blog platforms beyond Microsoft Employees, and no plans to add additional blogging platforms directly into the MSDN/TechNet recognition system. We are thinking about how to incorporate contributions not directly on the MSDN/TechNet sites in the future though through other means.

    It's been 7 months since I first raised concerns about only Microsoft Employees getting recognition for writing blogs so I think it's about time we revisit this issue, especially considering this comment left on my blog (http://blog.wharton.com.au/about/):

    <cite class="fn">karansharma</cite> says:

    But on the Forum’s user profile. I see various categories like Forums, blogs, Technet Wiki.
    Information for forums is updated by ratings and point scored in forums. How is the information for blogs updated

    Here is link to my profile.
    http://social.microsoft.com/profile/crmdevlpr/
    How are points and blog count updated on forums user profile


    Jeff Wharton
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    17 februarie 2012 09:07
  • Count me as one of the confused.  I was going to ask the same question but decided to search to first see if it has been asked before.  I guess there's some history on this topic.

    The inclusion of blog posts in the recognition system IMO has been poorly documented from the start.  I was certainly confused by it since I always wondered exactly how you would know I posted on my blog when I can't tell you where it is in user settings.  Makes sense now, but if this was really just limited to MSDN and Technet blogs and targeting MS employees who are required to fit into this ecosystem then I think the FAQ section could quite easily just plainly explain this.  Even if the definition may be broadened later it is worth explaining the limitations and internal MS focus now.

    One of the main goals of the recognition system is to encourage and broaden participation, so it can't hurt to be more explicit toward this one path to participation.

    25 martie 2012 12:06