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RTF loses style on open to MS Word

    Question

  • The basic problem is that when I open and resave an RTF in Word 2007 it alters text formatting in some cases.

    I have an RTF file created by a Windows based application. It has been created from a FlowDocument in WPF's RichText implementation. The RTF it generates looks good, but we have to post process it in Word (via Interop/Automation) so that we get all the stuff (RTF headers/footers etc.) that MS Word uses for the Adobe application that will finally use the file.

    To clarify:

    1. user enters styles textinto WPF application
    2. that application exports from Flow Document to RTF file
    3. another application opens the file in MS Word 2007 and resaves the rtf as an output RTF (THIS IS WHERE IT'S GOING WRONG)
    4. Adobe app uses the new rtf file

    The anomily occurs when there is a change in style immediately preceeding an RTF special character in this case '£'. The RTF text below is from our aplications - I have highlighted where the anomily occurs in both files. As you can see Word has split the '£' away from the '5000' and changes the style.

    Here is an original RTF created by our WPF app:

    {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\uc1\htmautsp\deff2{\fonttbl{\f0\fcharset0 Times New Roman;}{\f2\fcharset0 Tahoma;}{\f3\fcharset0 HelNeueRoman;}{\f4\fcharset0 HelNeueBold;}{\f5\fcharset0 Ford-BoldExt;}}{\colortbl\red0\green0\blue0;\red255\green255\blue255;}\loch\hich\dbch\pard\plain\ltrpar\itap0{\lang1033\fs9\f3\cf0 \cf0\ql{\fs20\f3\b {\lang2057\ltrch Here is some text }{\lang2057\loch\f4\ltrch that }{\lang2057\loch\f5\ltrch \'a35000 } {\lang2057\ltrch needs font changes}\li0\ri0\sa0\sb0\fi0\ql\sl120\slmult0\par}
    }
    }

    Here is the rtf generated by the Word 2007 object fro the above RTF:

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    {\f39\fbidi \fswiss\fcharset0\fprq2{\*\panose 00000000000000000000}HelNeueRoman;}{\f40\fbidi \fswiss\fcharset0\fprq2{\*\panose 00000000000000000000}HelNeueBold;}{\f41\fbidi \fmodern\fcharset0\fprq2{\*\panose 00000000000000000000}Ford-BoldExt;}
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    Tuesday, August 03, 2010 4:17 PM

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  • The basic problem is that when I open and resave an RTF in Word 2007 it alters text formatting in some cases.

    I have an RTF file created by a Windows based application. It has been created from a FlowDocument in WPF's RichText implementation. The RTF it generates looks good, but we have to post process it in Word (via Interop/Automation) so that we get all the stuff (RTF headers/footers etc.) that MS Word uses for the Adobe application that will finally use the file.

    To clarify:

    1. user enters styles textinto WPF application
    2. that application exports from Flow Document to RTF file
    3. another application opens the file in MS Word 2007 and resaves the rtf as an output RTF (THIS IS WHERE IT'S GOING WRONG)
    4. Adobe app uses the new rtf file

    The anomily occurs when there is a change in style immediately preceeding an RTF special character in this case '£'. The RTF text below is from our aplications - I have highlighted where the anomily occurs in both files. As you can see Word has split the '£' away from the '5000' and changes the style.

    Here is an original RTF created by our WPF app:

    {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\uc1\htmautsp\deff2{\fonttbl{\f0\fcharset0 Times New Roman;}{\f2\fcharset0 Tahoma;}{\f3\fcharset0 HelNeueRoman;}{\f4\fcharset0 HelNeueBold;}{\f5\fcharset0 Ford-BoldExt;}}{\colortbl\red0\green0\blue0;\red255\green255\blue255;}\loch\hich\dbch\pard\plain\ltrpar\itap0{\lang1033\fs9\f3\cf0 \cf0\ql{\fs20\f3\b {\lang2057\ltrch Here is some text }{\lang2057\loch\f4\ltrch that }{\lang2057\loch\f5\ltrch \'a35000 } {\lang2057\ltrch needs font changes}\li0\ri0\sa0\sb0\fi0\ql\sl120\slmult0\par}
    }
    }

    Here is the rtf generated by the Word 2007 object fro the above RTF:

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    • Moved by Jay_WangMicrosoft employee Thursday, August 05, 2010 2:28 AM The root cause of the problem lies in Word. (From:Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF))
    • Merged by Bessie Zhao Thursday, August 05, 2010 2:57 AM same topic
    Tuesday, August 03, 2010 4:17 PM
  • There is no way in Word to control Word's RTF output. Word does it the way Word does it, using the converter supplied with the program. Since the move to OpenXML file format, RTF is also no longer being maintained by Microsoft as an alternate file format.

    I think you're going to need to have your application open the RTF file as a text file and make any required adjustments to the RTF encoding before passing it on to the software that converts it to PDF.


    Cindy Meister, VSTO/Word MVP
    Tuesday, August 03, 2010 4:49 PM
    Moderator
  • Hi,

    So it looks like Word is adding unwanted stuff to your RTF files during the automated processing. In this case, I think folks in the Word dev forum will be able to provide more help. So I'm moving this thread there.

    Regards,
    Jie


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    Thursday, August 05, 2010 2:25 AM
  • Hi Jie,

     

    Does this mean that my thread will no longer be included in the most recent new threads?

     

    Ty

     

    Peter

    Monday, August 09, 2010 11:53 AM
  • Hi Guys

    I am having a similar problem so would like to follow this thread through.  How do I view the continuation of this thread.

    Regards

    Mac

    b.macgregor@vodamail.co.za

     

    Friday, December 03, 2010 1:07 PM
  • I don't think there /was/ a continuation.

    I'm not an RTF expert, but make the following observations:

     a. When Word 2007 (or 2003, for that matter) opens the "source" RTF (that was generated in the Windows application prior to opening it in Word), it changes the font of the £ sign immediately - in other words, it is interpreting the incoming RTF in a particular way; it isn't something that goes wrong when Word /saves/.

     b. if you open the source RTF in WordPad, it interprets the RTF more in the way the OP probably expected. But that does not mean that WordPad is necessarily "getting it right." 

     c. I don't understand why the "source" is like this:

    \lang2057\loch\f5\ltrch \'a35000

    AIUI, \loch means that the characters are in the lower ANSI set (0..127). But \'a3 is by definition /not/ in that set. So either the RTF spec. tells us that \'a35 overrides loch in which case Word seems to me to be at fault, or that \loch overrides \'a3 or says nothing, in which case I do not know what any RTF reader is supposed to do. If it is the latter, I'd say the application that generates the RTF is at fault as it should either omit \loch, or split the run into 2 (as Word ends up doing), specifying \hich for \'a35 and \loch for 35000.

    In fact if you either omit \loch from the source RTF or change it to \hich, Word does at least display the RTF as you might expect.

    Although the RTF spec. should be the guide, in the absence of anything else that can pin this down I regard "what Word does" as the rule, and dispute the idea that "the root cause of the problem lies in Word"

    As for what the OP can do about it, probably not a lot without parsing and "correcting" the RTF before it reaches Word. Perhaps if the problem is limited to this kind of scenario it wouldn't be too hard to go looking for this kind of construct, but it's not something I'd like to have to get right!

     

    Peter Jamieson
    • Edited by Peter JamiesonMVP Friday, December 03, 2010 3:44 PM remove rubbish at bottom
    Friday, December 03, 2010 3:42 PM
  • Hi Peter
     
    Thanks for the information.  Perhaps you can clarify a couple of points:
    • Most impotantly the comment was made that Microsoft would not be supporting or keeping up to date with RTF, is this true?
    • I use RTF as the basis for my system and, at the moment, it seems that the only thing that is giving me headaches is the string "\hich\af39\dbch\af31505\loch\f39 " which is doubled up all over the place and is normally surrounding a single character.  What does this mean?  If I was to erase it from the RTF file what would be the damage?
    • Finally, in certain instances, I search my rtf code for "\sect" identifying the section breaks.  Prior to Word 2007 this worked fine but now, in some instances I get a "\sect" prior to the start of the first section.  Why is this?  What am I interpreting incorrectly?
    Once again thank for your response and any assistance you can give me with the above will be greatly appreciated.
     
    Regards
     
    Mac
    Friday, December 03, 2010 7:06 PM
  • Hi Mac,

    First, I am not a Microsoft employee - for reliable answers to policy questions in particular you should really check directly with them.

    <<
    Most importantly the comment was made that Microsoft would not be supporting or keeping up to date with RTF, is this true?
    >>

    Yes. e.g., a Microsoft Technet article about new features in Word 2010 (at   http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc179199.aspx  ) says:

    ---
    RTF file format

    The RTF file format is no longer enhanced to include new features and functionality. Features and functionality that are new to Word 2010 and future versions of Word are lost when they are saved in RTF. In addition, Word 2010 supports a new converter interface based on Open XML Formats.
    ----

    I don't know any more than that. However, since changes to Word were the driving force behind changes to RTF, further changes to the RTF specification seem pretty unlikely. What happens to existing 3rd party product support for RTF is anyone's guess, but I can't see people pouring millions into improving the behaviour of their products with RTF. OTOH now that it is a static target, perhaps some consolidation of RTF-related products will occur.

    <<
     I use RTF as the basis for my system and, at the moment, it seems that the only thing that is giving me headaches is the string "\hich\af39\dbch\af31505\loch\f39 " which is doubled up all over the place and is normally surrounding a single character.  What does this mean?  If I was to erase it from the RTF file what would be the damage?
    >>

    First, I'd just like to go back to the original problem described in this thread (it's probably relevant). I've looked a bit harder at the rtf spec. and some things seem clearer, although I still wouldn't say I'd grasped every detail :-) )

    The example RTF was 

    {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\uc1\htmautsp\deff2{\fonttbl{\f0\fcharset0 Times New Roman;}{\f2\fcharset0 Tahoma;}{\f3\fcharset0 HelNeueRoman;}{\f4\fcharset0 HelNeueBold;}{\f5\fcharset0 Ford-BoldExt;}}{\colortbl\red0\green0\blue0;\red255\green255\blue255;}\loch\hich\dbch\pard\plain\ltrpar\itap0{\lang1033\fs9\f3\cf0 \cf0\ql{\fs20\f3\b {\lang2057\ltrch Here is some text }{\lang2057\loch\f4\ltrch that }{\lang2057\loch\f5\ltrch \'a35000 } {\lang2057\ltrch needs font changes}\li0\ri0\sa0\sb0\fi0\ql\sl120\slmult0\par}}}

    and the problem was that the \'a3 and 5000 were being separated and ended up with different styles/fonts.

    It seems to me that the explanation for this is as follows:
     a. look at
    {\lang2057\loch\f5\ltrch \'a35000 } 

    That says 'if the character is "lo" (0-127), apply f5'

    So f5 is applied to "5000" and we see the Ford-BoldExt font in the text.

    However, it doesn't say anything about what to do with the "hi" (128-255) \'a character. So Word must have sow way to determine what the fontstyle should be. In this case, I believe it comes from the enclosing RTF:

    {\fs20\f3\b

    i.e. the font ends up as HelNeueRoman.

    I believe that it is because Word ends up applying different formats that it splits \'a35000 into two "runs", as the OP noted.

    Assuming that the OP wanted the \'a3 to be in Ford-BoldExt, one way to achieve that would be to change
    {\lang2057\loch\f5\ltrch \'a35000 } 
    to
    {\lang2057\loch\f5\hich\f5\ltrch \'a35000 } 

    and indeed, if you do that, Word gets the formatting right and emits the \'a35000 in a single run. I expect there are several different ways you could achieve the same thing.

    So, to go back to your question about

    \hich\af39\dbch\af31505\loch\f39

    1. Right now, I can't see why it would be necessary to double it up

    2. Removing it would presumably mean that Word would look "back" in the RTF  for the applicable style/font. If you can tell that the character is always (say) a "lo" character, then I believe that you could at the very least reduce this to

    \loch\f39

    If you could also be sure that the character would in any case be formatted with "\f39" then I suppose you could get rid of the \loch\f39 as well. The question is how you could establish that. I don't think it's all that easy, but if the process you use to create your RTF files is highly repetitive and (for example) you never use "hi" or "db" characters, there's probably a lot you could simplify in an RTF file.

    <<
    Finally, in certain instances, I search my rtf code for "\sect" identifying the section breaks.  Prior to Word 2007 this worked fine but now, in some instances I get a "\sect" prior to the start of the first section.  Why is this?  What am I interpreting incorrectly?
    >>

    I don't know, sorry. If you want, you can send me an example at

    pjj at pjjnet dot demon dot co dot uk

    and I will have a look (not sure when!)


    Peter Jamieson
    Saturday, December 04, 2010 5:20 PM
  • Hi Peter

    Posts by this person were part of a spamming attack on the forums this morning. All posts by this person (and a couple of others) have been deleted. I recommend you delete your reply, as well...


    Cindy Meister, VSTO/Word MVP
    Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:14 AM
    Moderator
  • OK, have deleted it, thanks Cindy!
    Peter Jamieson
    Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:44 AM