Visual Studio Team System - Microsoft Solutions Framework (MSF) ForumDiscuss MSF v4 and the integrated process automation and guidance found in Team System.© 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:07:50 Z8d1ba920-77a3-4f49-9c8f-62be871e5ad0http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/b287ca0f-3214-41a0-b40a-95f2382938fahttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/b287ca0f-3214-41a0-b40a-95f2382938fahifundahttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=hifundaRequired fields,workflows and form layout for Change Request work items in VSTS 2010 beta1Hi Can anyone give me a sample of creating a new Change Request work item type in MSF Agile v5.0 template? Which fields and work flows are required for a CR? I am asking because there are no CRs existing in our process template and I would like to customize it.Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:52:55 Z2009-11-20T11:07:50Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/5eeb8801-dbde-4fc4-a7c7-1003640b5fb7http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/5eeb8801-dbde-4fc4-a7c7-1003640b5fb7M.Radwanhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=M.RadwanMSF vs. ALM<p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"> </p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:small">I just want to know what the future of the MSF, the relationship with ALM and if ALM replaced MSF and why Microsoft learning stop and retire all Microsoft official courses related to MSF despite of there is no new courses.<br/>Course: 1846 Microsoft Solutions Framework Essentials <br/>Course: 2710 Analyzing Requirements and Defining Microsoft .NET Solution </span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:small">Thanks<br/></span></p><hr class="sig">We are volunteers, if the reply help you mark it as your answer. thanks!!<br/> <a href="http://mohamed-radwan.spaces.live.com/default.aspx">My Blog</a>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:37:04 Z2009-11-19T03:56:28Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/dd0d1911-db0a-42bf-9c39-29f95e9552f0http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/dd0d1911-db0a-42bf-9c39-29f95e9552f0Andrew_Delin-MSFThttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=Andrew_Delin-MSFTPlease help us improve the MSF guidance!<p align=left> </p> <p align=left>Do you use one of the MSF process templates in Visual Studio Team System? (either MSF Agile or MSF CMMI).</p> <p> </p> <p align=left>We'd be very keen for you to take our survey on your experience of <strong>using the MSF guidance help pages</strong>. (This is the HTML content that discusses roles, work items, work streams, iterations and so on.)</p> <p> </p> <p align=left>We are looking to revise this guidance to make it better, and could use your input to tell us what's important to you.</p> <p> </p> <p align=left>Please take the survey here:</p> <p> </p> <p align=left><a title="http://blogs.msdn.com/processblog/archive/2007/09/25/so-tell-us-what-you-think-about-the-msf-guidance.aspx" href="http://blogs.msdn.com/processblog/archive/2007/09/25/so-tell-us-what-you-think-about-the-msf-guidance.aspx">http://blogs.msdn.com/processblog/archive/2007/09/25/so-tell-us-what-you-think-about-the-msf-guidance.aspx</a></p> <p> </p> <p align=left>Let us know what you think! What's good and what's not good? The survey is open now.</p> <p> </p> <p align=left>thank you - Andrew<br></p>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:44:01 Z2009-11-19T03:45:22Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/ca65833b-81e5-4423-913d-39e9dad01a6bhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/ca65833b-81e5-4423-913d-39e9dad01a6bMaria87389http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=Maria87389MS Agile Process GuidanceI have recenty started at a new company, that uses MSF Agile for SCRUM<br/><br/>On starting I have been told that beacuse that they use SCRUM there is no need for documentation.<br/><br/>How do I correct them?Thu, 03 Sep 2009 12:20:01 Z2009-11-17T13:53:52Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/4c499286-4203-45d9-a943-c85ffeedba85http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/4c499286-4203-45d9-a943-c85ffeedba85tzigonehttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=tzigonescrum for team system reports and msf for cmmiHi,<br/> My project is using VSTS 2008 and MSF for CMMI currently. I want to use scrum for team system reports such as burn down, trend charts etc together with CMMI template  Is this possible? Can we use another template's reports without changing our current template? How?<br/> Cheers,<br/>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:48:09 Z2009-10-27T09:48:09Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/97c971cb-fe3f-4507-8197-41d09f068eb3http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/97c971cb-fe3f-4507-8197-41d09f068eb3Bugbytehttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=BugbyteAssociating Scenarios to Tasks in MSF for AgileHi Guys,<br/> <br/> I have the following questions:<br/> Which Task field do you use to relate it to the Scenario it came from during the disaggregation exercise at the beginning of the iteration?<br/> Why the Scenario WI does not contain a field to capture the user acceptance test related to it?<br/> Which Scenario/Task field can I use to set the priority? Rank??<br/> <br/> Thanks a lot in advance<br/> <br/> Jose D. ParraWed, 16 Sep 2009 02:24:01 Z2009-10-23T04:48:14Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/7bea153f-d4f5-49bf-8708-d5ddf7facaedhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/7bea153f-d4f5-49bf-8708-d5ddf7facaedsrfp Bobhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=srfp%20BobVision Document<p align=left><font face=Arial size=2>While we await new agile templates, can anyone post an actual vision document for an MSF Agle Project?</font></p>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:22:23 Z2009-10-01T07:50:59Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/018d641d-71f1-40b6-a3e2-41d961078a9dhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/018d641d-71f1-40b6-a3e2-41d961078a9dQaziTanzeelhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=QaziTanzeelcase stdudy required for MSF TemplatesRespected fellows<br/>hope u  all are fine<br/>i am new to MSF so i am facing problems filling MSF templates, so if there are any resources , materials or links related to case study of msf so please send to me.<br/>i will remain thankfull and gratefull<br/>wish u best of luckSun, 23 Aug 2009 08:59:57 Z2009-09-29T14:25:27Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/acf3de66-92b7-406c-8fa7-05ba059281f3http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/acf3de66-92b7-406c-8fa7-05ba059281f3Eman Hyloozhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=Eman%20HyloozDifference between Role, Advocacy group, and constituency? I need a specific definition according to MSF for the following: <br/><br/>1. Role<br/>2. Advocacy Group <br/>3. Constituency <br/>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:55:08 Z2009-11-17T13:58:06Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/eb5bf7b5-e2c8-4881-b5cf-20372c7c1bedhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/eb5bf7b5-e2c8-4881-b5cf-20372c7c1bedQaziTanzeelhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=QaziTanzeelNeed help for conceptual design and Functional Design in Microsoft solution framework?Hello Dear Friend.<br/><br/>Hope you all friends are fine, and enjoying the best of your lives.<br/>i am facing a problem that i am in a training center where the owner made me a team lead to a group of 5 people, A big problem is that i am new to MSF and also new to live development, very recently i did my bacheor degree. we have the MSF version 3.0 templates but they are so tought that after a lot of study i get to some points of the topics but still i am very nervous all about the Documentation process.<br/>with lot of struggle i and my team did the envisioning process, <br/>would any one please can provide us case study for MSF.<br/>also <br/>i need a brief elaboration of the Conceptual design and Functional Design.<br/>In each documentaion there are topics which we have already done, for example objective, system requirement and many more<br/>i will  remain very thankful<br/>Best of luckMon, 17 Aug 2009 09:08:39 Z2009-08-30T00:39:51Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/858ffd41-8ff7-49e1-be26-e990b2c1be8ahttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/858ffd41-8ff7-49e1-be26-e990b2c1be8aWilliam Bartholomewhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=William%20BartholomewMSF for CMMI and Check-Ins<p align=left><font face=Arial size=2></font> </p> <p>I'm currently investigating MSF for CMMI and I'm unclear as to what work item types it is &quot;acceptable&quot; for a developer to check changes in against. Should there always be a Task a work item or can a developer check changes in directly against Requirements, Change Requests, Bugs, etc.? Are there any work item types that a developer should not check changes in against?</p>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 02:45:41 Z2009-07-02T20:49:42Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/5451dd9e-e868-4edf-8b15-f4612204cecdhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/5451dd9e-e868-4edf-8b15-f4612204cecdPraveenAdinihttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=PraveenAdiniLoading all the work items for a projectCan we load a field with all the work items for that particular project when we open a new work item?<br><br>Thanks<br>Praveen<br>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:20:36 Z2009-07-02T19:42:08Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/b186729c-9c5c-4130-9697-3648d62d19fbhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/b186729c-9c5c-4130-9697-3648d62d19fbchuckc3http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=chuckc3Rational Integration<p dir="ltr" style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">We are just beginning a fairly large project and are planning to use VS.Net 2005; however, several people on the project team have had experience with Rational Rose and Rational RequisitePro, we are used to that environment, and we have naturally had no experience with the VSTeam capabilities.&nbsp; We are in a quandary as to whether to use all the features of Team System and/or Rational products which we have experience and confidence in.<br /><br />Here's a few questions - I hope someone out there is in a similar dilemna and is willing to share thoughts and ideas on this.<br /><br />Microsoft seems to have no requirements management tool similar to Rational RequisitePro - what is the Microsoft strategy in this area?&nbsp; Is there any plan to provide any level of integration with RequisitePro or other Requirements Management Tools?<br /><br />Rational has said they're not going to support Visual Studio.Net 2005 with the Rational Rose XDE version, so that leaves open the question...Do we use a stand-alone version of Rose for modeling in order to integrate with RequisitePro&nbsp;without any integration with VS.Net&nbsp;or use the VSTeam system capabilities for modeling without any integration with a requirements management tool?<br /><br />The fundamental questions I'm trying to understand is how do the Rational tools fit with the Microsoft tools strategy...&nbsp; So far it doesn't look like they fit together very well at all...maybe that's intentional that both companies are competitive with each other in this area?<br /><br />Any thoughts and suggestions on this would be appreciated...<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />Chuck Cobb<br /><br /></p>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:21:52 Z2009-07-01T11:58:05Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/aa59debc-36a2-4c9e-8369-174eeebcadf4http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/aa59debc-36a2-4c9e-8369-174eeebcadf4Clementino Mendoncahttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=Clementino%20MendoncaIs there any MSFv4.0 documentation templates like MSFv3.0?<p>Not sure what happened to the post from Anonymous on the 16 of April, but here goes the answer anyway: currently we don't have a similar set of templates. We are working on getting a fully fledged set of projects to be shipped as examples in an upcoming version.</p> <p> </p> <p>Regards,</p> <p> </p> <p>Clementino Mendonca - MSF Champion</p>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:35:52 Z2009-06-29T18:34:25Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/96cd0de8-04ab-4387-880f-f7e29ea31b4ehttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/96cd0de8-04ab-4387-880f-f7e29ea31b4eChrisConnellyhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=ChrisConnellyMSF Templates for V4<p align=left><font face="Times New Roman" size=2>A few months ago, I had copies of the document templates for Agile development.  I am speaking of the document templates entitled &quot;Vision Statement&quot;, &quot;Business Requirements&quot;, &quot;Conceptual Design&quot;, &quot;Functional Specification&quot;, &quot;Development Plan&quot;, etc.  These document templates were Microsoft Word .doc's with the formating (headers, page numbers, section titles, etc) in <strong>BLACK</strong> and the instructions and examples in <font color="#0000ff"><strong>Blue.  (e.g. </strong></p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style="font-size:11pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><strong>ntroduction to the Template</strong></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><strong> </strong></span></p> <p align=left><span><strong>Description</strong>: The Development Plan describes the solution development process used for the project. This plan compliments the functional specifications t</span></font></font></p> <p align=left><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p> <p align=left><font face="Times New Roman">The versions I had were a copyright of 2005.  Someone at my shop overlaid these with the documents apparently for MSF 3 copyright of 2002.  I've attached the notice below.</font></p> <p align=left><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p> <p class=CopyrightText style="margin:0in 0in 4pt"><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span style="">Ó</span></span> 2002 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.</p> <p class=CopyrightText style="margin:0in 0in 4pt">The information contained in this document represents the current view of Microsoft Corporation on the issues discussed as of the date of publication. Because Microsoft must respond to changing market conditions, it should not be interpreted to be a commitment on the part of Microsoft, and Microsoft cannot guarantee the accuracy of any information presented after the date of publication.</p> <p align=left> <p align=left><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p> <p align=left><font face="Times New Roman">Where can I get the latest and greatest?  Are the VSTS2008 compatible templates available?  I would expect a copyright date later than 2005.  </font></p> <p align=left><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p> <p align=left><font face="Times New Roman">I've asked this question before and have been directed to the Guidance Screens that are loaded on the SharePoint for a TFS project.  The documents I am looking for are not the Guidance Screens from the SharePoint.  </font></p> <p align=left> </p> <p></p>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:54:54 Z2009-06-26T12:30:22Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/6432da0b-ff46-42e4-bc87-606fc6c46712http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/6432da0b-ff46-42e4-bc87-606fc6c46712Jeremy Kelleyhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=Jeremy%20KelleyVisual Studio 2008 and the .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 Now Available!<p align=left>We are very happy to announce immediate availability on the Microsoft Download Center of Service Pack 1 for Visual Studio 2008 and the .NET Framework 3.5.  You can find the download <a title="http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=122094" href="http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=122094"><font color="#0072bc">here</font></a>.</p> <p align=left> </p> <p align=left> </p> <p align=left> </p> <p align=left> </p>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:22:50 Z2009-06-22T07:47:38Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/6a3fe181-25b8-42f1-9258-cb5009b48fbfhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/6a3fe181-25b8-42f1-9258-cb5009b48fbfJeremy Kelleyhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=Jeremy%20KelleyVisual Studio 2008 and the .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 Now Available!We are very happy to announce immediate availability on the Microsoft Download Center of Service Pack 1 for Visual Studio 2008 and the .NET Framework 3.5.  You can find the download <a title="http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=122094" href="http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=122094"><font color="#0072bc">here</font></a>. <p align=left><font face=Arial size=2></font> </p> <p> </p> <p align=left> </p> <p align=left> </p> <p align=left> </p> <p align=left> </p> <p align=left> </p> <p align=left> </p> <p align=left> </p> <p align=left> </p>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:23:56 Z2009-06-22T07:48:09Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/e1455fb3-d6a1-434a-b8f2-2bd6f8c42be8http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/e1455fb3-d6a1-434a-b8f2-2bd6f8c42be8Andrew_Delin-MSFThttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=Andrew_Delin-MSFTSample docs - what would you like to see? (Agile)<p align=left><font face=Arial size=2></font> </p> <p>The VSTS process team is currently thinking about what Sample docs to include in a future version of an Agile template.</p> <p align=left> </p> <p>Currently we are considering this list. We'd be very interested to hear any comments on things you'd like to see - either within a doc, or other docs we should add. Or tell us what isn't so useful in an Agile setting:</p> <p align=left> </p> <blockquote dir=ltr style="margin-right:0px"> <p align=left>Vision document and solution concept<br>Project start-up checklist<br>Personas defined<br>Design artefacts capturing design decisions and directions chosen<br>Data model &amp; Use cases<br>Risk plans connected with risk work items<br>Threat models<br>Logistics / roll-out plans (Operations)<br>Test plans<br>Triage meeting notes - decisions and justifications<br>Iteration retrospective – meeting notes and documented learnings/changes to team working<br>Stakeholder matrix</p></blockquote> <p align=left> </p> <p align=left>One of our goals is &quot;broad applicability&quot;, which means the docs above extend beyond what you'd expect from &quot;pure agile&quot;. We want to support customers who are transitioning to agile or adopting agile practices into an existing framework.</p> <p><br>Please - let us know what you think about the above sample docs. What would you like to see? What should we include, or avoid? What's useful?</p> <p><br>Andrew</p>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:19:44 Z2009-05-19T17:56:20Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/a497c89d-32f2-4ad6-9805-08bceba22032http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/a497c89d-32f2-4ad6-9805-08bceba22032kadmoshttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=kadmosIT Architecture & Planning (ITAP) Advisor Anyone knows if the MSF certification would give someone an edge landing a job with Microsoft as a IT Architecture &amp; Planning (ITAP) Advisor. Obviously, there are many other requirements for such a job, but would this help? Do you know of other certifications that might help?Sat, 16 May 2009 14:51:25 Z2009-05-16T14:51:26Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/0cc0ff30-ba5b-4307-8d86-d385ae271635http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/0cc0ff30-ba5b-4307-8d86-d385ae271635Tareq Alihttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=Tareq%20AliMSF Agile AdpotionDear All,<br>I want to know a rough number about MSF Agile Adoption. I noticed that the MSF Forum is not active, this makes me worry about how wide it is adpopted compared to Scrum and other Agile Methodologies. <hr class="sig">tareq MuhammadSat, 31 Jan 2009 03:32:40 Z2009-05-13T21:15:28Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/820ec99d-16e4-4290-a6a5-8d84333a333ehttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/820ec99d-16e4-4290-a6a5-8d84333a333eDavid J Robertshttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=David%20J%20RobertsWhy is the estimate field missing from the warehouse?In the CMMI template we're missing this field. I'm stumped as to why? It's got remaining work and completed work but not estimated work.<br><br>Is my only option to add my own estimate field? Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:59:42 Z2009-05-13T20:55:01Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/0d1d623c-14b2-4dcb-989b-0b280724d5c3http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/0d1d623c-14b2-4dcb-989b-0b280724d5c3Ray H.http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=Ray%20H.Looking for a Legend or guide to CMMI Diagrams<p>The various workstreams have a diagram associated with the process.<br><br>Although some things are fairly apparent, I hate to assume anything when making such bedrock processes.<br><br>Is there a guide to reading the diagrams? Is there an name for the diagram method?<br><br>Some things specifially, the diagrams show a given process as a large box with empty circles on the inputs/outputs of the process as well as within the process.<br>Some dots are black though and the meaning is unclear. Is this displayling logic, or some other signal?<br>Some interface dots are not within squares, but either triangles or semi-circles, do they have meaning?<br><br>I'll take any answers, but would prefer a document spelling out everything.<br><br><br>TIA,<br><br>Ray</p>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:59:31 Z2009-05-13T20:46:57Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/2d8f856b-9d93-43e1-8767-073b7233d0b0http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/2d8f856b-9d93-43e1-8767-073b7233d0b0djrobertshttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=djrobertsImplement a Development Task, one task?<p>This workstream is written for one task, singular but I think anyone can easily realize that many items such as design reviews can be done on multiple tasks at one time. The issue we're having is with design. It seems arbitrary to associate designing software with a single task. For instance, I may initially realize I have to build a component out of analysis as a solution to a requirement. As I get further into analysis I realize that there are a few problems to solve so I break down the task accordingly. These &quot;solutions&quot; will likely become a set of related classes spanning multiple tasks. Design (at least in OO) is about object responsibility and interaction. My point here is that I may have 3 tasks that needed &quot;thinking about design&quot; all at the same time. I'm writing about detailed design, not architecture. Unfortunatly the design activity is written in such a way that some of our developers insist design must take place on a per task basis.<br/><br/>My question is, is the guidance specifically trying to associate design as a per task activity and if so, for what reason? Or should it be interpretted with some flexability. Obviously we'll do what's best for us, I'm just looking to understand the original intent of the guidance.<br/><br/>Thanks!</p>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 01:29:26 Z2009-05-13T18:08:14Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/76c91cb8-ef90-49f9-af96-777198d2bb41http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/76c91cb8-ef90-49f9-af96-777198d2bb41David J Robertshttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=David%20J%20RobertsPlease clarify Identify Inconsistencies for REQM 1.5We're trying to understand this activity and how corrective actions, etc... could be taken. Is this activity incomplete? Should it supply some kind of checklist to look over beyond just the two reports and I'd expect it to say we create tasks for corrective actions. We may have a hard time convincing the appraiser on this one.Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:12:39 Z2009-03-31T23:12:41Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/9a1a9b8f-86b0-4c08-975c-b0563db511f8http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/9a1a9b8f-86b0-4c08-975c-b0563db511f8David J Robertshttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=David%20J%20RobertsConfusion about Create Solution Architecture, planning and build tracks, please clarify We see the planning tracks as stuff you do to prepare for future iterations and the build track as stuff you generally do in the iteration, even if it's just pre-launch.<br><br>Our confusion lies in where Create Solution Architecture is executed. We figure that you need requirements for architecture (of course...) but if your incrementally updating the architecture each iteration you need to know which requirements will be worked on. <br><br>Thus we came up with the idea that Create Solution Architecture might come between &quot;Select Iteration Backlog&quot; and the &quot;Iteration Analysis&quot; activities in Plan an Iteration. This however seems odd that build track activities would come before planning track activities.<br><br>Another thought is that the architecture could be based on all approved requirements regardless of whether they've been assigned to an iteration.<br><br>Please help me clarify this. If you can give an example of the activities that neighbor that workstream I'd really appreciate it.<br><br>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:05:09 Z2009-02-25T22:05:10Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/ffa9b8f7-679f-49ee-a4ee-e1fb6c413e90http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/ffa9b8f7-679f-49ee-a4ee-e1fb6c413e90David J Robertshttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=David%20J%20RobertsHow do I allow someone to create a team query but not modify the work items?It seems like giving permission to someone to create team queries also grants them access to publish new work item types, fields, etc... <br><br>Does anyone know how to seperate these permission and offer one without the other? Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:16:06 Z2009-02-13T13:35:04Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/8de6b981-8473-4532-8683-a399ec89d9ebhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/8de6b981-8473-4532-8683-a399ec89d9ebSOLearyhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=SOLearyAny Good Books on the Subject?<p align=left>I have just recently started evaluating TFS and its possible impact on our company's SDLC processes.  I have become familiar with the process editor and how to make changes to templates in order to make existing templates more closely match our procedures.  However, I was wondering if there were any good books specific to creating/modifying process templates for TFS.  Anyone have any recommendations?</p> <p align=left> </p> <p align=left>Thanks,</p> <p align=left>Scott</p>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:15:06 Z2009-02-13T13:33:25Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/7dc40495-1788-4b00-b2f7-ded47f04329ehttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/7dc40495-1788-4b00-b2f7-ded47f04329eTareq Alihttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=Tareq%20AliVelocity SeriesHello,<br>In MSF for Agile Process Guidance, I noticed that the Y-Axis in the report is (Number of Scenarios X ROM), however when I create a new project in Microsoft Team System and open the project portal --&gt; Process Guidance I noticed that they Y-Axis is the (Number of Bugs). This is a bug? <br><hr class="sig">tareq MuhammadSat, 31 Jan 2009 03:28:34 Z2009-01-31T05:09:28Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/a7b1fb38-73cb-4b5d-9913-34cbf62fd707http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/a7b1fb38-73cb-4b5d-9913-34cbf62fd707djrobertshttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=djrobertsWhat is the "Requires Test" for? Unit or other? We're trying to understand the utility of this fields. Is it for unit tests? If so it doesn't match up well with non-development testing. Is it to inform testers that a task is testable in rare situations? That sort of makes no sense either because in all situations you could report a bug to test against if not a requirement. We're thinking of removing this field, but I'd appreciate any insight before we do.Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:45:42 Z2009-01-30T18:45:44Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/320dde65-23b2-4f9a-a2d3-3861a3cec1e3http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/320dde65-23b2-4f9a-a2d3-3861a3cec1e3AlexanderRudykhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=AlexanderRudykProject Management templates are empty<p>Hi all.</p> <p>I have downloaded the last <a style="font-weight:bold" href="http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=63524"><u><font color="#0000ff">MSF for Agile Software Development Process Guidance</font></u></a>. But unfortunately I have an empty templates in Project Management folder: Development Project Plan.mpp, Project Checklist.xls, Test Development Plan.mpp. All these files are an empty documents.</p> <p>Is this correct and process guidance include only empty files or may be I have some problems wiht install.</p> <p>Thanks.</p>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:13:17 Z2009-06-29T18:33:34Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/4062207c-d833-4bf7-9d32-8feb6684f5d5http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/4062207c-d833-4bf7-9d32-8feb6684f5d5Karl Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=Karl%20ZAdd Inactive as a State for MSF Agile Development process template?Where is the right place to post suggested improvements to the MSF for Agile Software Development 4.1 process template?<br><br>I found doing &quot;Daily Standup Reports&quot; difficult with this process template out of the box. Any report will show all your tasks. I could narrow it by setting the Iteration Path, but that only narrows it a bit.<br><br>We made a change by adding &quot;Inactive&quot; as the initial state for a Task.  Now I can create a meaningful report that shows: 1) Any &quot;blocked tasks&quot; (i.e., Issue == &quot;Yes&quot;), 2) Completed Items in the past day (@Today - 2) and 3) Active items (State == &quot;Active&quot;). The addition of the Inactive state makes this meaningful report possible.<br>That is - that reports shows blocking items, what I did yesterday, and what I plan to do today.<br><br>So in text form, here's what the workflow looks like:<br>Transition To Inactive: Reasons: New<br>Transition From Inactive to Active: Reasons: Resume, Start<br>Transition From Active to Inactive: Reasons: Delay<br>... The rest are out of the box... (Example: Transition Active to Closed: Reasons: Deferred, Obsolete, Cut, Complete)<br><br>This simple change made this process template far more usable.<br><br>Please let me know the right place to post this suggestion.<br><br>Thanks,<br>KarlMon, 05 Jan 2009 15:19:30 Z2009-01-05T19:53:45Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/eced25bc-cb3b-4d45-b19b-e02e1a80e1e8http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/eced25bc-cb3b-4d45-b19b-e02e1a80e1e8ryomahttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=ryomaMSFWinBuild does not work and throw error: "Namespace 'some-uri' does not contain any functions."Hi,<br>I was using GuidanceGenerator 2.0.21 to customize agile-guidance.guidance file but having worked on all day long I truly believe that this is a futile way to update the customize process guidance.  There are so many cross references and fixing those are nightmare,,,my task is to write process guidance and not fix the references!<br><br>So, I decided to use the older tool to customize process guidance, MSFWinBuild.  But this tool throws exception when it's doing xsl transformation saying:<br><br>Namespace 'some-uri' does not contain any functions.<br><br>Have anyone seen this problem before?  Do you know how to fix it?  I have a feeling that it's something to do with xsl but I've never done xsl before.  I would appreciate any help.<br><br>Thank you.<br> Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:58:27 Z2008-12-12T00:58:28Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/b00b0bc1-7d69-4035-beed-aff3f997bfb7http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/b00b0bc1-7d69-4035-beed-aff3f997bfb7YousefOhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=YousefOModifying-Adapting the MSF Sample TemplatesHi,<br> <br>Do I have the right to modify-adapt the Sample Templates from MSF?<br><br>Thanks,<br>YousefThu, 04 Dec 2008 09:21:04 Z2008-12-04T09:21:06Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/cb5836f9-bac3-4d4e-ae5c-c0ca747fc2efhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/cb5836f9-bac3-4d4e-ae5c-c0ca747fc2efartificerhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=artificerWhat should happen on iteration 0?  <p style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><font face=Calibri>I understand that long projects should be split on multiple iterations but I have some doubts. Should I devote the first iteration (iteration 0) to just envisioning and planning or all the phase is the process model has to be accomplished on all iterations? </font></p> <p style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><font face=Calibri>I had used scrum for some time and before doing sprints (iterations) a backlog (scope document) has to be prepared and each sprint is expected to build some of the items in the backlog. However I haven’t found proper documentation about a similar process on MSF.</font></p>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:23:09 Z2008-12-03T00:23:10Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/f2c21296-9dd7-4312-ab64-bd0551146581http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/f2c21296-9dd7-4312-ab64-bd0551146581lude8880http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=lude8880in which class is the Estimate/Remaining/Complete Fields bound?hi guys, i couldnt find them in the <a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/microsoft.teamfoundation.workitemtracking.client.workitem_members(VS.80).aspx">http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/microsoft.teamfoundation.workitemtracking.client.workitem_members(VS.80).aspx</a><div>anyone got a idea?</div><div>regards</div><div>Yang</div><div>Senior Java Junior C#</div>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:35:16 Z2008-11-28T23:55:06Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/53b7f2d2-b6d4-47ba-8a9e-bd69b9ecdbfbhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/53b7f2d2-b6d4-47ba-8a9e-bd69b9ecdbfbdjrobertshttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=djrobertsWhat's the state change for a requirement when it's approved?<p align=left><font face=Arial size=2></font> </p>Accepted = assigned to the current iteration. How do you track which requirements are approved? Obviously the requirements must be approved to be baselined which is seperate from assigning to a current iteration.Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:06:18 Z2008-11-14T16:55:50Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/2f49d11a-affb-4cbe-8da6-e06f3091f0b8http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/2f49d11a-affb-4cbe-8da6-e06f3091f0b8Oleg Sychhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=Oleg%20SychBug in MSF Agile Process Guidance Build 100.4 - Broken Workstreams Link<p>Workstreams links on the work item pages are broken in MSF Agile build 100.4 (MSFforAgileSwDevPG-50727.147.01.zip). When you click Workstreams link for any of the work items in the compiled version, it takes you to the overview page instead.When you do the same thing in the Source\ProcessGuidance.htm, it displays an empty workstreams page. </p> <p><font face=Verdana></font> </p>Tue, 23 May 2006 16:16:58 Z2008-11-06T18:23:40Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/22e85459-2f66-4562-b886-6626ef303fb6http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/22e85459-2f66-4562-b886-6626ef303fb6Sashi2http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=Sashi2to freeze the size of the shape window in Microsoft Visio 2003Hi,<br /><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have a web application where i use&nbsp; visio&nbsp; drawing control and my custom shape (stencil) window.<br />&nbsp;<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The problem i am facing is that when&nbsp; the shape window that gets loaded in I.E browser.Itz dockable and a float window exists.<br /><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Can anyone give me a solution to freeze the shape window size(I.e it should be allowed to float or it should be docked) in my web application.<br />&nbsp; <br />Thanks in advance<br /><br />Regards,<br />Sashi<br />Fri, 14 Oct 2005 07:49:38 Z2008-11-05T01:42:05Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/09a3ae58-a6c0-4e89-93db-29bbb8440154http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/09a3ae58-a6c0-4e89-93db-29bbb8440154zakshursthttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=zakshurstReal World examples of Agile<p align=left><font face=Arial size=2></font> </p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font size=3><font face="Times New Roman">Hi </font></font></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font face="Times New Roman" size=3> </font></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font size=3><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="">     </span>I am looking fro some real world examples of Agile project in particular <span style=""> </span>MSF 4.0 for development methodology combined with Scrums for management. </font></font></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font face="Times New Roman" size=3> </font></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font size=3><font face="Times New Roman">Background </font></font></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font face="Times New Roman" size=3> </font></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font size=3><font face="Times New Roman">Currently our company uses the water fall model, but new developments I believe are better suited to Agile. To this end I am trailing out Agile on a new project. The project is for a data centric application, with a multi deployment model.<span style="">  </span>It is written VS2008 Vb.Net we are already design it to be test driven and starting to use NUNIT. I know <span style=""> </span>Team system is supposed natural option but I find it difficult to justify based on the fact that<span style="">  </span>most Open source seems to do a better job if less integrated and they have moved some functions from VS2008 into VSTS and now want us to pay for it. I can’t complain too much as<span style="">  </span>VS2008 is fantastic tool </font></font></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font face="Times New Roman" size=3> </font></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font size=3><font face="Times New Roman">Anyway we are struggling with documentation , types required and level<span style="">  </span>of detail required to<span style="">  </span>keep the process streamline but also repeatable/ supportable. When looking there are hundreds if not thousands of articles on Agile and loads of templates, but I can’t find any real world examples, </font></font></span></p> <ul style="margin-top:0cm" type=disc> <li class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;tab-stops:list 36.0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font size=3><font face="Times New Roman">This is after 2 years of looking , lately the team<span style="">  </span>has made it real priority to find examples but to no avail.</font></font></span> <li class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;tab-stops:list 36.0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font size=3><font face="Times New Roman">being a Microsoft partner we have asked Microsoft directly but they can’t<span style="">  </span>pin point any</font></font></span> <li class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;tab-stops:list 36.0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font size=3><font face="Times New Roman">We have downloaded<span style="">  </span>various trial software with supposed examples , but<span style="">  </span>it is always templates. </font></font></span> <li class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;tab-stops:list 36.0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font size=3><font face="Times New Roman">We<span style="">  </span>have bought books that have said they have examples. I have hassled the authors. </font></font></span></li></ul> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font face="Times New Roman" size=3> </font></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font size=3><font face="Times New Roman">I was hoping that<span style="">  </span>end to end examples would be available, groups/people say they are working on them but it appears that they have been <span style=""> </span>working on them for years. I thought<span style="">  </span>competitions were held for<span style="">  </span>best developments and I could get the examples from them. </font></font></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font face="Times New Roman" size=3> </font></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font size=3><font face="Times New Roman">I understand that you make agile your own and you<span style="">  </span>have to tailor it to suit your needs, so examples<span style="">  </span>are not useful <span style=""> </span>but I need to see </font></font></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font size=3><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="">            </span>- types and level of details that go into docs</font></font></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font size=3><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="">            </span>- how information cascades from requiremenet,UAC, design to unit tests code etc. </font></font></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font size=3><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="">            </span>- how you<span style="">  </span>provide traceability </font></font></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font size=3><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="">             </span>- how you provide auditable solutions, that show you have to external auditors how review and approval was performed. </font></font></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font face="Times New Roman" size=3> </font></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font face="Times New Roman" size=3> </font></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font size=3><font face="Times New Roman">For example I really hate documentation use of modelling diagrams and<span style="">  </span>class digrams, properly source code is my aim but what should it look like. I really don’t want to repeat the mistakes and pitfalls others fall in. ( I am really afraid we will fail not because of Agile but because we<span style="">  </span>don’t have a complete project, sceptics reviewing it will find too many holes. ) </font></font></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font face="Times New Roman" size=3> </font></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font face="Times New Roman" size=3> </font></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font size=3><font face="Times New Roman">I hope this makes sense. </font></font></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang=EN-GB style=""><font face="Times New Roman" size=3> </font></span></p>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:14:25 Z2008-11-06T01:14:38Zhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/47db6fe4-14da-48d6-a38a-6ef66f8e931dhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vstsmsf/thread/47db6fe4-14da-48d6-a38a-6ef66f8e931dsagarrkhttp://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Profile/en-US/?user=sagarrkProcess Guidence customization<p align=left><font face=Tahoma size=3></font> </p> <p><font face=Tahoma size=3>Hi All,</font></p> <p align=left><font face=Tahoma size=3></font> </p> <p align=left><font face=Tahoma size=3>I am trying to customize the MSF for agile process guidence. </font></p> <p align=left><font face=Tahoma size=3></font> </p> <p align=left><font face=Tahoma size=3>I downloaded the latest version of Guidence given in the link. But when i try opening workitem.xml (Or any other file) in infopath 2007 )... I get an error saying that &quot;Infopath cannot open the following file, The form template associated with this could not be found&quot; . In the Details it says that This form is associated with a URN-based form template, which cannot be found on your computer.</font></p> <p align=left><font face=Tahoma size=3></font> </p> <p align=left><font face=Tahoma size=3>now i am editing the xml in infopath 2003 with sp2.. its working.... but when i use the msfwinbuild tool to build it, i am getting an error &quot;error building master XML file&quot;</font></p> <p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri"><font face=Tahoma size=3></font></span> </p> <p align=left><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri"><font face=Tahoma>Can someone please help me with this? </font></span></p> <p align=left><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri"><font face=Tahoma size=3></font></span> </p> <p align=left><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri"><font face=Tahoma>Thanks &amp; Regards,</font></span></p> <p align=left><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri"><font face=Tahoma>Sagar</font></span></p> <p align=left><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri"><font face=Tahoma size=3></font></span> </p>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:25:20 Z2008-10-31T07:03:13Z