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  • Hi,

    Can I ask what is happening with the future of Visual Studio Express?  Is it true the new Windows version will only support Windows 8 and then only Metro, and that the web version will be very limited.

    This is a great pity. I'm not a born programmer and just dabble, but after learning PHP I  find the Express versions very useful when moving on to WPF and ASP.NET.

    Where does WebMatrix fit into the equation?  I do think it is very sad of you are taking away these free development tools.

    Best wishes

    Peter Jones

    Crawley

    UK

    Friday, June 01, 2012 9:19 PM

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  • As of now, the announcements have all stated that "desktop" development, ie: Windows Forms and WPF, will not be supported in Visual Studio 2012 Express - only Windows 8 dev.  The web version should be similar to the VS2010 version, I believe.

    For details, see the Express page: http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/11/en-us/products/express


    Reed Copsey, Jr. - http://reedcopsey.com
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    Friday, June 01, 2012 9:31 PM
  • This is BS....

    Xcode is $0 again....

    Why would MSFT do this to us?

    I cant (and wont) pay ~$700 for VS professional.

    If they keep it this way, I'm going full Apple.   

    Wednesday, June 06, 2012 5:34 AM
  • Yes, this is very frustrating and a behaviour I didn't expect from a customer-friendly company... :-(
    Why they dont do two Operating Systems? The touch-part could be a success. But the whole thing might - in my opinion - end up with people don't buying Windows Tablets, because they don't like the Desktop System anymore...

    Regards,

      Thorsten

    Wednesday, June 06, 2012 9:30 AM
  • Jordan, I didn't mark your post as abusive (but someone else did, as I see now), but I think your suggestion is a joke, isn't it? You will not seriously tell people to do something supposed to be unallowed? That wouldn't be sporting either, IMHO.

    We need to convince Microsoft of the *need* of free Programming Tools as a part of the OS, and since Windows is a Desktop OS we therefore need the availability of Desktop-Programming Tools. My Cassandra above is a desperate attempt to get the people at Microsoft to rethink their strategy.

    Regards,

      Thorsten




    Thursday, June 07, 2012 1:46 PM
  • Hi,

    I’m so glad my question has raised so much debate.  I really do feel that Microsoft is trying to force people to use Metro (They are even apparently stripping out code to start people bringing back the start menu in Windows 8).  I feel this is just another ‘Microsoft Gadgets’. This will not appeal to business users.

    I work in further education and having used Visual Studio Express at home, we purchased the full suite and implemented reporting through it.  This was a great success.  I would not have done this if I had not had the chance to use the free suite.

    Isolating customers and forcing them down a path they do not want to go is not the way to win friends. VB Express needs to continue for those Windows 7 users (Windows 7 will be the next XP for business), and Windows 8 users who do not want to use tablets.

    Can I ask the other question again?  Where does Visual Web Developer 2012 sit with the new updated WebMatrix.  

    Thanks

    Peter Jones

    Thursday, June 07, 2012 2:07 PM
  • [...]

    Isolating customers and forcing them down a path they do not want to go is not the way to win friends. VB Express needs to continue for those Windows 7 users (Windows 7 will be the next XP for business), and Windows 8 users who do not want to use tablets.

    [...]

    Yes, I agree. My experience with windows 8 startet with staring at it with an open mouth and thinking (and still hoping) that this is a hoax. But it seems not so. So I did explore some Linux-Live_systems in the last days, didn't like the gnome desktop with the bar at the top of the screen (in upward direction there has to be freedom :-) ) but did like the opensuse with KDE very much, everything was easy to achieve (setting up ip-addresses etc, configuring the system) and intuitively usable, so I downloaded the dvd.iso image. I never thought that I once would really think of going away from Windows, not even in the Vista-period, but now it seems that I will do it. And there are a lot pf people thinking that way and there is just no single person I know of that does like that windows 8.... I'm really frustrated. Just learned WPF and now it seems to be that I have to learn Java... I'm a hobbyist programmer (with some professional background) and really liked to use the Express-Versions (I know, I could go and use SharpDevelop but I simply dont like that Windows 8, occupying the whole screen, giving notes in a Font that sounds so loud...)

    ... to be continued ...

    Regards,

      Thorsten

    Thursday, June 07, 2012 2:53 PM
  • I have been using Ubuntu Linux 11.04 almost exclusively for my web surfing needs. It triple boots with XP and Win7. Have been using Linux for almost 10 years.

    I also have another laptop with just Windows 7 for my programming needs.

    If anyone every came up with a "easy" programming tool like VB.NET Express for Linux, it will be interesting what Microsoft does then.

    Thursday, June 07, 2012 4:14 PM
  • Microsoft has changed its mind:

    http://www.infoworld.com/d/application-development/microsoft-extends-visual-studio-express-2012-desktop-apps-195242

    Friday, June 08, 2012 9:14 PM
  • Hi,

    yeah! This is very good news :-))) [I just did my first mono-gtk program today on an Ubuntu System... now I can relax and go back to VS and Windows]

    http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/archive/2012/06/08/visual-studio-express-2012-for-windows-desktop.aspx

    Regards,

      Thorsten


    Friday, June 08, 2012 9:47 PM
  • As of now, the announcements have all stated that "desktop" development, ie: Windows Forms and WPF, will not be supported in Visual Studio 2012 Express - only Windows 8 dev.  The web version should be similar to the VS2010 version, I believe.

    For details, see the Express page: http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/11/en-us/products/express


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    As people mentioned, this is (as of today) no longer the case.  Visual Studio 2012 Express Edition for Desktop will be a supported product, so desktop development will still be supported.


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    Friday, June 08, 2012 10:20 PM